>Scotland has “collectively lost its mind” on trans issues, Nicola Sturgeon has claimed. The former first minister was speaking at an event in Aberdeen on Sunday night to promote her recently published memoir, Frankly, and defended her record in government. Among the policies discussed was her support for the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill, which sought to reform the process by which people could legally change their gender.
>“We weren’t the first in the world to propose this,” Sturgeon said of the bill. “Scotland wasn’t doing something that had never been done before.” She cited the example of the Republic of Ireland, which passed the Gender Recognition Act in 2015. During Sunday’s event, the former first minister acknowledged that she bears some responsibility for the debate over gender self-identification becoming “more polarising”, though she insisted to host Catriona Stewart that she would “not apologise for standing up for trans people”.
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>On Sunday, the ex-SNP leader said that she doesn’t “want to force anybody to believe anything that they don’t want to believe”. She added that “I will always push back against the vilification of a minority that are already pretty stigmatised,” and claimed that **“there’s too much punching down on trans people for my liking right now.” For Sturgeon, women’s rights and trans rights are not “in conflict”, and she argued that she “can be a champion and somebody who advocates and stands up for both”.**
She is spot on here.
On this she is 100% spot on.
Correct. No notes.
i miss her
Honestly if she just pushed it through after the first consultation instead of having like 2 or 3 more over the course of the next 5 years the broadsheets would have had so much less of a chance to spin up thier media machine over it
Absolutely spot on. Most of the outcry was manufactured for political aims and it is mad to see how strong of a root it got in popular media.
It’s not just Scotland – studies show many nations have a quickly increasing irrationality and declining empathy.
There are many reasons for it, but essentially, people are behaving as if they are at risk or in danger even when no threat has been made. Grown adults reacting to everything in childishness.
This applies to more than the trans topic.
She is completely correct.
Rights come into conflict all the time. That isn’t a problem in and of itself. It’s only a problem if a) you don’t talk about it and b) treat any conflict by prioritising one side.
Sex and gender reassignment are both protected characteristics. If you have some women wanting single sex sports, spaces, etc and some trans women wanting to be included based on their gender identity, that is obviously a conflict.
If we’d spent the last decade talking about where rights collide and where compromises can be found we’d be in a lot better position than taking Sturgeon’s “there is no conflict” position.
Hasn’t helped anyone.
She said there was no debate.
Then there was a debate.
And she lost.
And the supreme court ruled that “trans women” cannot be believed into being women, any more than a banana can be believed into being a marsupial.
The goal of the folk that initiated this is to halt progress and turn it in a more ‘ traditional’ direction.
It’s entirely her fault. She should be ashamed of herself. Everybody was getting on fine until she introduced the boards quotas legislation to the delight of second wave feminists then made it worthless by self-id.
Has anywhere not though? This culture warring is inescapable everywhere now
What percentage of the Scottish population is trans? Are we talking 2-3% or 30-40%?
Scotland along with most of the world has lost its collective mind over trans issues.
To be focused on stripping away the human rights of an already vulnerable group at a time where trump just announced that it’s okay to batter your female spouse (within reason) is fucking insane.
It’s not often I actually like a politician and I’ve actually never voted SNP, but I do miss Nicola Sturgeon.
It’s such a non-issue compared to sooo many other issues in our country rn.
I wish we could just give trans people the rights and recognition that they want and deserve, and know that whether you’re for or against it, it’s not gonna affect you 99.9% of the time in your day to day life.
Isla Bryson is a woman and Nicola should have supported her placement in the female estate as such. Caving on that was totally cowardice.
She needlesaly delayed the Gender Reform Bill for years (It’s consultation period was actually normal) allowing the terfs time to get organised.
She tolerated open transphobes and christian fundamentalists in her party.
She is all talk.
lol
I remember being so excited when they floated the idea of being able to mark your gender as X instead of M or F on passports and other official documents. I feel like a mug, thinking we were heading into a brighter, more hopeful future.
I’m amazed how much it kicked off after the gender recognition reform.
It was like a genuine watershed moment, not just for Scotland, but the UK and even further afield to just go absolutely fucking feral over something that ultimately affected a tiny proportion of people.
Yeah pretty much
Hang on. Wasn’t she part of the reason for this? She had a fight with Westminster to change laws.
Well, let’s be honest. It’s the whole country, not just Scotland, that’s lost their minds. It’s interesting she takes responsibility for making the debate more polarising.
If anything I think she mishandled the legislation, going for this later than she should have and at a time where there would have been a risk of “culture politics” blowing up. Essentially she had political space to pursue radical policies in the aftermath of the 2016 election, that space had markedly decreased by the 2021 election.
I’d agree that it was a mad argument, probably for rather different reasons than Nicola Sturgeon would. But I think it’s died down a bit now. I’m not sure it that’s because people got bored, or because of the Supreme Court ruling, or because Palestine gave the protesty-types something new to shout about – but it just seems a lot less tense than it did.
Holy shit thats the pot calling the the individual a rapist isnt it!
I was in Germany last week at a family water park – the entire sauna and spa section is nude. Huge place, like 6 different types of sauna etc.
Anyway, outside some of the areas were mixed showers. Naked, mixed showers.
Oddly, no reports of wrongdoing at Tropical Islands near Berlin.
Makes one wonder if the hysteria is just political meddling rather than any genuine issue….
If it’s a non-issue, why are trans-activists so insistent on the idea that men can magically transform into women and must be granted access to women’s spaces?
If it’s a non-issue why can’t they just drop it, as they say.
The reason it’s not a non-issue is that working people have to leave their kids in education where they get told they can be “born in the wrong body”. I don’t see how that is a non issue for working class parents.
It’s not a non-issue for working class families who get their children removed from them because they don’t want their children hooked on the latest untested big pharma products for life
I’m constantly being shouted at for being in the wrong restroom.. so I stand with those trans folks.
>women’s rights and trans rights are not “in conflict”, and she argued that she “can be a champion and somebody who advocates and stands up for both”
I remember a woman who vocally supported the LGBTQI+ community and gave hefty donations to their causes. She also went on to spend more of her own money to help women like herself who had been the victim of domestic violence.
See how that all panned out…
Another grifting ex-MP flogging a book cos she can’t go to Brussels and do a Kinnock. Fuck off Sturgeon.
She was wrong on this. She keeps coming back to this point that trans-identifying people are a persecuted minority, completely ignoring the negative effects of the trans phenomenon on women and girls and calling all who disagree with her “bigots”. She is as responsible as anyone for stoking division. It’s also notable that almost all of her post-FM interventions have been about trans rights. Nothing at all about independence. Tells you what her priorities were all along.
Well said Nocola
Trans rights are human rights.
I am surprised she recalled she managed to recall this.
I had a job a couple of years before it around 2018, and we were in a building in Glasgow that featured a single toilet shared between about 10 guys and a couple of lassies. It has been infurating to see a debate now spring that apparently men and women can’t share bathrooms, despite Glasgow in the 60s having Tenanment housing that used to share toilets BETWEEN ENTIRE BLOCKS.
Just fuck off with this American culture war pish. It’s so fucking stupid.
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>Scotland has “collectively lost its mind” on trans issues, Nicola Sturgeon has claimed. The former first minister was speaking at an event in Aberdeen on Sunday night to promote her recently published memoir, Frankly, and defended her record in government. Among the policies discussed was her support for the Gender Recognition Reform (Scotland) Bill, which sought to reform the process by which people could legally change their gender.
>“We weren’t the first in the world to propose this,” Sturgeon said of the bill. “Scotland wasn’t doing something that had never been done before.” She cited the example of the Republic of Ireland, which passed the Gender Recognition Act in 2015. During Sunday’s event, the former first minister acknowledged that she bears some responsibility for the debate over gender self-identification becoming “more polarising”, though she insisted to host Catriona Stewart that she would “not apologise for standing up for trans people”.
/
>On Sunday, the ex-SNP leader said that she doesn’t “want to force anybody to believe anything that they don’t want to believe”. She added that “I will always push back against the vilification of a minority that are already pretty stigmatised,” and claimed that **“there’s too much punching down on trans people for my liking right now.” For Sturgeon, women’s rights and trans rights are not “in conflict”, and she argued that she “can be a champion and somebody who advocates and stands up for both”.**
She is spot on here.
On this she is 100% spot on.
Correct. No notes.
i miss her
Honestly if she just pushed it through after the first consultation instead of having like 2 or 3 more over the course of the next 5 years the broadsheets would have had so much less of a chance to spin up thier media machine over it
Absolutely spot on. Most of the outcry was manufactured for political aims and it is mad to see how strong of a root it got in popular media.
It’s not just Scotland – studies show many nations have a quickly increasing irrationality and declining empathy.
There are many reasons for it, but essentially, people are behaving as if they are at risk or in danger even when no threat has been made. Grown adults reacting to everything in childishness.
This applies to more than the trans topic.
She is completely correct.
Rights come into conflict all the time. That isn’t a problem in and of itself. It’s only a problem if a) you don’t talk about it and b) treat any conflict by prioritising one side.
Sex and gender reassignment are both protected characteristics. If you have some women wanting single sex sports, spaces, etc and some trans women wanting to be included based on their gender identity, that is obviously a conflict.
If we’d spent the last decade talking about where rights collide and where compromises can be found we’d be in a lot better position than taking Sturgeon’s “there is no conflict” position.
Hasn’t helped anyone.
She said there was no debate.
Then there was a debate.
And she lost.
And the supreme court ruled that “trans women” cannot be believed into being women, any more than a banana can be believed into being a marsupial.
The goal of the folk that initiated this is to halt progress and turn it in a more ‘ traditional’ direction.
It’s entirely her fault. She should be ashamed of herself. Everybody was getting on fine until she introduced the boards quotas legislation to the delight of second wave feminists then made it worthless by self-id.
Has anywhere not though? This culture warring is inescapable everywhere now
What percentage of the Scottish population is trans? Are we talking 2-3% or 30-40%?
Scotland along with most of the world has lost its collective mind over trans issues.
To be focused on stripping away the human rights of an already vulnerable group at a time where trump just announced that it’s okay to batter your female spouse (within reason) is fucking insane.
It’s not often I actually like a politician and I’ve actually never voted SNP, but I do miss Nicola Sturgeon.
It’s such a non-issue compared to sooo many other issues in our country rn.
I wish we could just give trans people the rights and recognition that they want and deserve, and know that whether you’re for or against it, it’s not gonna affect you 99.9% of the time in your day to day life.
Isla Bryson is a woman and Nicola should have supported her placement in the female estate as such. Caving on that was totally cowardice.
She needlesaly delayed the Gender Reform Bill for years (It’s consultation period was actually normal) allowing the terfs time to get organised.
She tolerated open transphobes and christian fundamentalists in her party.
She is all talk.
lol
I remember being so excited when they floated the idea of being able to mark your gender as X instead of M or F on passports and other official documents. I feel like a mug, thinking we were heading into a brighter, more hopeful future.
I’m amazed how much it kicked off after the gender recognition reform.
It was like a genuine watershed moment, not just for Scotland, but the UK and even further afield to just go absolutely fucking feral over something that ultimately affected a tiny proportion of people.
Yeah pretty much
Hang on. Wasn’t she part of the reason for this? She had a fight with Westminster to change laws.
Well, let’s be honest. It’s the whole country, not just Scotland, that’s lost their minds. It’s interesting she takes responsibility for making the debate more polarising.
If anything I think she mishandled the legislation, going for this later than she should have and at a time where there would have been a risk of “culture politics” blowing up. Essentially she had political space to pursue radical policies in the aftermath of the 2016 election, that space had markedly decreased by the 2021 election.
I’d agree that it was a mad argument, probably for rather different reasons than Nicola Sturgeon would. But I think it’s died down a bit now. I’m not sure it that’s because people got bored, or because of the Supreme Court ruling, or because Palestine gave the protesty-types something new to shout about – but it just seems a lot less tense than it did.
Holy shit thats the pot calling the the individual a rapist isnt it!
I was in Germany last week at a family water park – the entire sauna and spa section is nude. Huge place, like 6 different types of sauna etc.
Anyway, outside some of the areas were mixed showers. Naked, mixed showers.
Oddly, no reports of wrongdoing at Tropical Islands near Berlin.
Makes one wonder if the hysteria is just political meddling rather than any genuine issue….
If it’s a non-issue, why are trans-activists so insistent on the idea that men can magically transform into women and must be granted access to women’s spaces?
If it’s a non-issue why can’t they just drop it, as they say.
The reason it’s not a non-issue is that working people have to leave their kids in education where they get told they can be “born in the wrong body”. I don’t see how that is a non issue for working class parents.
It’s not a non-issue for working class families who get their children removed from them because they don’t want their children hooked on the latest untested big pharma products for life
I’m constantly being shouted at for being in the wrong restroom.. so I stand with those trans folks.
>women’s rights and trans rights are not “in conflict”, and she argued that she “can be a champion and somebody who advocates and stands up for both”
I remember a woman who vocally supported the LGBTQI+ community and gave hefty donations to their causes. She also went on to spend more of her own money to help women like herself who had been the victim of domestic violence.
See how that all panned out…
Another grifting ex-MP flogging a book cos she can’t go to Brussels and do a Kinnock. Fuck off Sturgeon.
She was wrong on this. She keeps coming back to this point that trans-identifying people are a persecuted minority, completely ignoring the negative effects of the trans phenomenon on women and girls and calling all who disagree with her “bigots”. She is as responsible as anyone for stoking division. It’s also notable that almost all of her post-FM interventions have been about trans rights. Nothing at all about independence. Tells you what her priorities were all along.
Well said Nocola
Trans rights are human rights.
I am surprised she recalled she managed to recall this.
I had a job a couple of years before it around 2018, and we were in a building in Glasgow that featured a single toilet shared between about 10 guys and a couple of lassies. It has been infurating to see a debate now spring that apparently men and women can’t share bathrooms, despite Glasgow in the 60s having Tenanment housing that used to share toilets BETWEEN ENTIRE BLOCKS.
Just fuck off with this American culture war pish. It’s so fucking stupid.
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