Homicide rate in Europe and US: In the age of eurodepression and drums of war, we need to remind Europe excepcionalism and what we must preserve.

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by Ok-Hotel6210

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  2. mate, this is not europe being exceptional, this is us being a hellhole, also i think there are a lot of better ways of showing how cool europe is, than “hey we don’t kill each other as much as fucking usa”

  4. And notice how the countries were gun ownership is widespread like Switzerland and Finland, the stats barely differ from other European countries, if at all.

    Makes ya think about stuff and… things.

  5. Interesting… Almost all New England states (New Hampshire, Maine, Vermont, and Massachusetts) have rates comparable to most of Europe. The only odd one out in that list is Idaho.

    On the European side, two of the three Baltic states (Lithuania and Latvia) make the exception.

  6. Not really. Europe’s lower homicide rates aren’t usually framed as “European exceptionalism” in the way “American exceptionalism” is often talked about because the difference mostly comes from structural and policy choices rather than a sense of Europe being unique or special. Not to say that it’s not a good thing, but to use “European exceptionalism” isn’t really the best way of describing it

  8. I tried to investigate a little bit which indicator correlates with the murder rate in individual US states, and the result was … very racist.

  11. The whitest us states are the safest. Not a surprise

  12. Homicide rates in Canada by Province and Territory for 2024.

    And yes gun ownership is perfectly legal in Canada (federally regulated), albeit with much tighter restrictions than the US.

    You need to take a certified firearms training course(s) to get a license, there are two tiers;
    * Non Restricted license ( rifles & shotguns )
    * Restricted license ( handguns )

    Also of note, over 60% of Canada’s population is in Ontario and Quebec alone. And if you add in BC it’s over 75%. All way lower than the US.

    | Province/Territory | Homicide Rate (per 100,000) |
    |—————————-|—————————–|
    | Prince Edward Island | 0.63 |
    | Newfoundland and Labrador | 1.50 |
    | Nova Scotia | 1.45 |
    | Quebec | 1.10 |
    | Ontario | 1.75 |
    | British Columbia | 2.30 |
    | Alberta | 2.55 |
    | New Brunswick | 2.60 |
    | Yukon | 9.52 |
    | Northwest Territories | 13.33 |
    | Nunavut | 5.13 |
    | Saskatchewan | 5.24 |
    | Manitoba | 6.29 |

    The national average for Canada in 2024 was 1.91 homicides per 100,000 people, down slightly from 1.99 in 2023.

    Edit: added combined USA and Canada in ascending order ( again > 60% of Canada’s pop is lower than any US State, and > 75% of Canada’s population is still on par with the US’ top 3 lowest, which are a fraction of US population )

    | Region | Country | Rate per 100k |
    |—————————-|————-|—————|
    | Prince Edward Island | 🇨🇦 Canada | 0.63 |
    | Quebec | 🇨🇦 Canada | 1.10 |
    | Nova Scotia | 🇨🇦 Canada | 1.45 |
    | Newfoundland & Labrador | 🇨🇦 Canada | 1.50 |
    | Ontario | 🇨🇦 Canada | 1.75 |
    | New Hampshire | 🇺🇸 USA | 1.85 |
    | Utah | 🇺🇸 USA | 1.99 |
    | Massachusetts | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.09 |
    | British Columbia | 🇨🇦 Canada | 2.30 |
    | Idaho | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.34 |
    | Iowa | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.46 |
    | Vermont | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.47 |
    | Alberta | 🇨🇦 Canada | 2.55 |
    | Rhode Island | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.55 |
    | New Brunswick | 🇨🇦 Canada | 2.60 |
    | Montana | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.82 |
    | New Jersey | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.84 |
    | South Dakota | 🇺🇸 USA | 2.94 |
    | New York | 🇺🇸 USA | 3.04 |
    | Wyoming | 🇺🇸 USA | 3.08 |
    | Minnesota | 🇺🇸 USA | 3.14 |
    | Nebraska | 🇺🇸 USA | 3.23 |
    | North Dakota | 🇺🇸 USA | 3.32 |
    | Connecticut | 🇺🇸 USA | 3.73 |
    | Oregon | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.46 |
    | Delaware | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.46 |
    | Kansas | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.62 |
    | Florida | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.71 |
    | Washington | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.77 |
    | Wisconsin | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.79 |
    | West Virginia | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.92 |
    | California | 🇺🇸 USA | 4.95 |
    | Nunavut | 🇨🇦 Canada | 5.13 |
    | Saskatchewan | 🇨🇦 Canada | 5.24 |
    | Colorado | 🇺🇸 USA | 5.34 |
    | Ohio | 🇺🇸 USA | 5.42 |
    | Indiana | 🇺🇸 USA | 5.63 |
    | Michigan | 🇺🇸 USA | 5.89 |
    | Arizona | 🇺🇸 USA | 5.95 |
    | Virginia | 🇺🇸 USA | 5.97 |
    | Texas | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.05 |
    | Kentucky | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.08 |
    | Oklahoma | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.09 |
    | Manitoba | 🇨🇦 Canada | 6.29 |
    | Illinois | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.56 |
    | Pennsylvania | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.64 |
    | Nevada | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.82 |
    | Mississippi | 🇺🇸 USA | 6.94 |
    | Georgia | 🇺🇸 USA | 7.09 |
    | North Carolina | 🇺🇸 USA | 7.89 |
    | Maryland | 🇺🇸 USA | 8.33 |
    | Alaska | 🇺🇸 USA | 8.45 |
    | Arkansas | 🇺🇸 USA | 9.42 |
    | Yukon | 🇨🇦 Canada | 9.52 |
    | South Carolina | 🇺🇸 USA | 8.97 |
    | Missouri | 🇺🇸 USA | 9.10 |
    | Tennessee | 🇺🇸 USA | 9.86 |
    | Alabama | 🇺🇸 USA | 10.3 |
    | New Mexico | 🇺🇸 USA | 11.5 |
    | Northwest Territories | 🇨🇦 Canada | 13.33 |
    | Louisiana | 🇺🇸 USA | 14.5 |
    | Washington, D.C. | 🇺🇸 USA | 26.0 |

  13. To give a bit more contrast, Idaho and New Hampshire are the same color as France. It looks lighter but that’s just an optical effect.

  14. It’s also higher in Canada, Australia and New Zeeland than in Europe.

    So … How do we explain that?

    Could also take a look at Africa, Islamic countries, the middle-east, South and Latin America and Asia.

    Europe isn’t preserved. Europe is destroyed. It would had been good if it was preserved but clearly it wasn’t.

    Europe could had been better than what it is.

  16. As a Latvian, It is so strange for me, to see this statistics.
    Because I feel that our country is very safe, even at nights I can walk everywhere.

  17. This sub: Don’t compare the continent to states! Don’t compare countries to states! (GDP discussions with California and Texas)

    Also, this sub: Look at how great we are compared to states. Don’t include other countries. Don’t add context.

    Also, this post comments: *severe racism*

  18. We should be the opposite of exceptionalist. We are not an exception; we are just what happens when societies are well-run. We’re not different in that regard from Canada, Australia or New Zealand. Asian countries like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have lots of similarities with us in terms of just doing things right. I don’t want to be an exception, I want everyone in the world to enjoy the good things we do here, and I think it is perfectly possible.

    Let’s keep ourselves different from the country that ended its democracy, please.

  19. Why the comparison to the USA? The USA is not a European country. We shouldn’t be comparing our best to their worst to make ourselves seem better. This is the same folly that Canadians fall into.

  20. I thought Latvia and Lithuania felt safe when I visited in the summer lol

  26. It only took two world wars and the rise of American global hegemony for Europeans to stop butchering one another. Congrats!

  28. Someone missed an opportunity to confuse Americans by having two Georgias on the chart.

    FYI the country of Georgia has a rate which is roughly a third of the US state.

  31. No my country is worse than the best state in the USA 🙁

  32. Most of the EU countries are higher in standard of living, lifespan, health at retirement, happiness, education, and lower in homicide rate and dept.

    Then some neoliberal douchebag be like: all the most valued tech companies are in the US!

    Dude, I don’t care.

  35. Now, I know the UK isn’t perfect. There must’ve been at least one. Maybe two at a push.

  36. We already know we live in one of the most dangerous first world countries (but really, more like third world).

  38. This is a meaningless comparison. Europe is not the exception, USA is. In developed countries, what happens in Europe is the norm.

  39. The more they kill themselves over there, the sooner the problem is over. They can’t be helped anyway.

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