That might be even higher than similar surveys in finland.
Oh my god. That’s so racist!
Unpopular opinion: Finland can come up with a novel approach instead of copying other countries.
Every country is different. What works for Canada might not work for Finland
It is important to note that Finland is part of the EU, so this new system will likely only affect people coming from 3rd countries (3rd as non-EU members states, not to be mistaken with Third World Countries).
However, Finland could make separate agreements and laws for immigrants coming from specific countries, for example the US. Meaning that requirements for work based immigration from lets say the US or UK can differ from those coming from China for example…
Finland already has separate laws for people coming from Nordic countries. It is easier for a Nordic person to move to Finland compared to a person coming from non-Nordic EU member state.
Of course, some could argue that such agreements and preferences are discriminatory.
But then again every country has different import taxes for goods based on Trade Agreements.
Every country has different laws and penal code and etc. etc.
Yeah.. PS version – White positive points… Brown negative points??!? 🫣🤔🥺
I don’t think the SPP can be serious with the system, if only applied to work permits. IMHO, there are basically two things here.
One, SPP are one of the more immigration-friendly parties, particularly for low-paid workers. They were perhaps the chief opposition to Finns during the cabinet negotiations when Finns wanted to significantly limit these work permits for salaries below living wages. I would be absolutely shocked if they suggested a system that would have any meaningful effect. It’s probably just a red herring.
Two, it’s not like we have any middle class movers coming in anyway. Unless this removes obstacles from them, it’s not going to help.
great
now look at Canada immigration situation and its consequences
Canada can choose their immigrants. Besides point system is not used for refugees, workers with work contract for certain jobs confirmed by ministry of labour and several other different programs.
Also to mind, individual officer at Canadian border can grant or revoke work permit for several years within less than a minute. In Finland it takes months of bureaucracy.
Maybe Finland hates skilled immigrants, just leaning towards unskilled immigrants to fill odd jobs from asylum.
Any success the Canadian system has had is because English and French are global languages. Outside of the north, where people can move freely anyways, Finnish and Swedish are as useful as a chocolate teapot. No one speaks either, so will not get any points under this system. If Finland wants to be seen as an attractive location for work based immigration, they are the ones that need to adapt, not the other way around. Adopt English as an official language, or perish.
“Inspired by Canada” on immigration sounds like a recipe disaster! Rethink Finland 🇫🇮 👊🏽
Finland is not as attractive as English-speaking countries in terms of language, so if Finland wants to be picky like Canada, without having a widely spoken language like English, expect fewer skilled workers to even consider Finland to be their destination. Not to mention other aspects like taxes, climate, how far Finland is from the central EU, etc…
But hey, maybe deep inside this is what Finland under the current government wants, I’m just an immigrant who’s contributing lots of tax to the social safety net, what do I know?
Canadian that moved to Finland for 2 years, got my residency, then returned to Canada (death in family).
Canada has one of the toughest systems for legitimate and skilled immigrants to enter, yet somehow one of the easiest for “temporary” foreign workers which is kind of the loop hole for entry. In essence, we prioritize Uber drivers and coffee shop employees from countries that hate women above all else. We basically get one worker, a subsequent wife and kids, then upwards of 4 elderly grandparents so do the math on that. I’m sensationalizing everything a bit, but in tandem with extreme housing costs and a lack of diversity within diversity of immigrants, it’s becoming quite heated over here.
When I moved over to Finland through a common law marriage relationship (living together for 2 years) with a Finnish partner it was actually disturbingly easy. We met online, lived together during COVID in Canada, and had some pretty weak information for proof of our relationship. Outside of the equivalent of Apple Store lineup on iPhone launch day for visiting Migri, it was smooth sailing and I’m surprised how little information or depth I had to provide in my application.
Conversely, her coming over to Canada can be upwards of a 3 year wait, legitimate criminal record checks (Finnish felt like “are you a criminal? Yes or No”), extensive medical tests being done, and a massive list of references to basically your first grade teacher’s name. It’s excessive.
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As far as I am aware Canada changed it system and created an unpopular surge of immigrants.
These people are many years behind what is really happening in Canada. Can’t they even google before making suggestions?
Literally news now in canada is how to reduce temporary migrants.
Three quarters of canadians want to reduce immigrants (news three days ago): https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/popular-support-immigration-plummets-1.7631767
That might be even higher than similar surveys in finland.
Oh my god. That’s so racist!
Unpopular opinion: Finland can come up with a novel approach instead of copying other countries.
Every country is different. What works for Canada might not work for Finland
It is important to note that Finland is part of the EU, so this new system will likely only affect people coming from 3rd countries (3rd as non-EU members states, not to be mistaken with Third World Countries).
However, Finland could make separate agreements and laws for immigrants coming from specific countries, for example the US. Meaning that requirements for work based immigration from lets say the US or UK can differ from those coming from China for example…
Finland already has separate laws for people coming from Nordic countries. It is easier for a Nordic person to move to Finland compared to a person coming from non-Nordic EU member state.
Of course, some could argue that such agreements and preferences are discriminatory.
But then again every country has different import taxes for goods based on Trade Agreements.
Every country has different laws and penal code and etc. etc.
Yeah.. PS version – White positive points… Brown negative points??!? 🫣🤔🥺
I don’t think the SPP can be serious with the system, if only applied to work permits. IMHO, there are basically two things here.
One, SPP are one of the more immigration-friendly parties, particularly for low-paid workers. They were perhaps the chief opposition to Finns during the cabinet negotiations when Finns wanted to significantly limit these work permits for salaries below living wages. I would be absolutely shocked if they suggested a system that would have any meaningful effect. It’s probably just a red herring.
Two, it’s not like we have any middle class movers coming in anyway. Unless this removes obstacles from them, it’s not going to help.
great
now look at Canada immigration situation and its consequences
Canada can choose their immigrants. Besides point system is not used for refugees, workers with work contract for certain jobs confirmed by ministry of labour and several other different programs.
Also to mind, individual officer at Canadian border can grant or revoke work permit for several years within less than a minute. In Finland it takes months of bureaucracy.
Maybe Finland hates skilled immigrants, just leaning towards unskilled immigrants to fill odd jobs from asylum.
Any success the Canadian system has had is because English and French are global languages. Outside of the north, where people can move freely anyways, Finnish and Swedish are as useful as a chocolate teapot. No one speaks either, so will not get any points under this system. If Finland wants to be seen as an attractive location for work based immigration, they are the ones that need to adapt, not the other way around. Adopt English as an official language, or perish.
“Inspired by Canada” on immigration sounds like a recipe disaster! Rethink Finland 🇫🇮 👊🏽
Finland is not as attractive as English-speaking countries in terms of language, so if Finland wants to be picky like Canada, without having a widely spoken language like English, expect fewer skilled workers to even consider Finland to be their destination. Not to mention other aspects like taxes, climate, how far Finland is from the central EU, etc…
But hey, maybe deep inside this is what Finland under the current government wants, I’m just an immigrant who’s contributing lots of tax to the social safety net, what do I know?
Canadian that moved to Finland for 2 years, got my residency, then returned to Canada (death in family).
Canada has one of the toughest systems for legitimate and skilled immigrants to enter, yet somehow one of the easiest for “temporary” foreign workers which is kind of the loop hole for entry. In essence, we prioritize Uber drivers and coffee shop employees from countries that hate women above all else. We basically get one worker, a subsequent wife and kids, then upwards of 4 elderly grandparents so do the math on that. I’m sensationalizing everything a bit, but in tandem with extreme housing costs and a lack of diversity within diversity of immigrants, it’s becoming quite heated over here.
When I moved over to Finland through a common law marriage relationship (living together for 2 years) with a Finnish partner it was actually disturbingly easy. We met online, lived together during COVID in Canada, and had some pretty weak information for proof of our relationship. Outside of the equivalent of Apple Store lineup on iPhone launch day for visiting Migri, it was smooth sailing and I’m surprised how little information or depth I had to provide in my application.
Conversely, her coming over to Canada can be upwards of a 3 year wait, legitimate criminal record checks (Finnish felt like “are you a criminal? Yes or No”), extensive medical tests being done, and a massive list of references to basically your first grade teacher’s name. It’s excessive.
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