Jeremy Corbyn: Starmer is ‘playing into the hands of Reform’
https://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-starmer-is-playing-into-the-hands-of-reform
by corbynista2029
Jeremy Corbyn: Starmer is ‘playing into the hands of Reform’
https://www.channel4.com/news/jeremy-corbyn-starmer-is-playing-into-the-hands-of-reform
by corbynista2029
38 comments
If there were an election tomorrow, it does seem like Reform would sweep in with a massive majority.
Starmer has a few years to change things significantly, or his legacy will be a massive Reform victory.
Incremental centrist change isn’t going to cut the mustard.
Cathy Newman: But aren’t you playing into Nigel Farage’s hands by setting up your new party, currently nameless and without an organisation. But even so, Labour risks losing votes to both the left and right, so aren’t you making it more likely that Nigel Farage gets into Downing Street?
Jeremy Corbyn: Quite the opposite
lol
Whilst i agree, its a bit rich coming from a man who lost to the Tories in such spectacular fashion. Especially after them being embroiled in so many scandals.
Should have been an easy win.
From the man who enabled another 9 years of Tory rule and the generational disaster of Brexit, and will 100% enable Reform at the next election with his ego party.
Jez needs to shut the fuck up.
This man knows a thing or two about handing huge majorities to right-wing populists after all.
Jeremy the anti west career politican…failed on Brexit, failed to deal with antisemitism in his party, failed as a Labour leader.
Poor old Jezza and his personality cult.
So are you Jeremy, by creating a party which steals the extreme left vote
Jezbollah splitting the left is a massive electoral gift to reform.
Regardless of what you think of Corbyn he’s not wrong.
Starmer fights Reform on their terms because he has no political ideology and policy prescription to fix the issues in society.
I’ve said it before here that I don’t really get what the point of this government is beyond being in power.
Corbyn is playing into the hands of reform much more than Starmer is. His whole party is designed so that reform win next time out and he can continue to be the rebel fighting against the establishment.
Quite sad really. He’s so obsessed about being the rebel that he’s happy to let the country fail so he can fight back.
Says the man doing Reform a favour with his vanity party
The Tories spent ten years trying to beat UKIP/ Brexit Party/Reform with messaging that aped them. They even held an EU referendum in order to outmaneuver the right. Starmer and his master strategists would be fools not to take note of this cautionary tale. One must conclude, therefore, that they are fools or have been infiltrated by right-wing entryists.
Unpopular opinion but starting a far left party that’s main policy is constantly calling for the end to the genocide in Gaza is going to play into the far right’s hands as well.
I think what’s happening in Gaza is absolutely horrific but I think Corbyn and left winger’s devotion to infighting and protesting against a war that’s happening a million miles away is going to make a lot of people in this country feel like they don’t care about them.
I think what I’m trying to say is that a lot of people are struggling and while it’s important to highlight how our country is committing to this horrific situation, they also need to present practical changes they will make to people in this country so they don’t fall to Tommy Robinson, Elon Musk and Nigel Farage.
Corbyn utterly failed in 2019.
But he actually comes across well in this interview, and makes some good points:
>The real issues facing our country are the housing crisis, the poverty crisis, the poverty of children, the attack on welfare benefits for those with disabilities.
And what do you suppose you are doing by splitting the vote, dear boy?
Corbyn would know he’s spent his career playing into the hands of Russia and other bad actors.
and Corbyn is doing his part to steal the left voters from labour.
Reform should get a nice 300 seat majority
Why was there never articles about how reform are playing into the hands of labour?
You probably shouldn’t have created the circumstances that put him in charge of the Labour Party then, I reckon!
In other news: water is wet.
God how has Corbyn managed to become the *only sane man* in politics somehow?
Regardless of your views on Corbyn, he is right about this: the destruction of Labour as a progressive vehicle for social change will have profound consequences for the country’s future. When people feel they have no alternative, they are pushed towards extremes. Centrism and neoliberalism have already failed, and the Mandelson scandal epitomises everything that is wrong with modern Labour.
Says Corbyn as he signs Labour’s death warrant. This guy is going to split the left into the gullible and the super-gullible.
Starmer is also playing in to the hands of Corbyn’s far left party by making himself unelectable to the left.
The exact same Corbyn and Corby adjacent people who will stream onto threads showing lower immigration figures and demanding everyone stop caring about immigration will also be all over this thread demanding political parties doing anything on immigration be seen as “caving into Reform”.
72% of the UK public think immigration has been too high. You are not going to get an election winning platform on anything other than dealing with that and the low economic growth.
Corbyn is dim, genuinely not very sharp. So he mumbles platitudes and has policy positions that seem incoherent and unrealistic. His supporters then invest heavily in sanewashing these positions and trying to make it sound moderate. He has a very small contingent of the UK population that support him, he has always been to the far far left of electoral politics, being at war wiht Michael Foot over the expulsion of Militant even before he got into parliament.
He is for quacks and cranks and nothing more.
How is it that whenever there is risk of a right wing push, it’s up to the left to meekly step aside and support centrism?
Jeremy Corbyn was never great at playing politics which sadly you need to be able to do to win, but a lot of his policies were popular. Why isn’t it on Starmer to enact policies that people support, rather than people who don’t support him being told “it’s the only option to avoid reform”. I’ve said it before, if Labour want my vote, give me something I can support. I don’t need my wishlist granted, but I do need something
Corbyn and Polanski both have a noble savage idea of the electorate. That the only idea people want to reduce immigration is their minds have been poisoned by Murdoch etc. Rather than it being a genuine position and not that they hate people unlike them.
People want to reduce immigration because in the past 5 years we had average annual net immigration the size of Manchester which has now reduced – to a city the size of Bristol every year.
It boggles their mind that the average elector in this country leans socially conservative AND economically left.
So is Corbyn, by attempting to split the leftward vote via Your Party.
If Reform win the next election I’d have to seriously consider leaving the UK. I just couldn’t stomach a country led by people determined to divide us and destroy the country.
I’m not for one second saying the Tories or Labour have been good for us, and I very much appreciate they have themselves proved to be incredibly divisive. However I do worry that Reform being in power would cause irreparable harm to the country and encourage a vile and extreme wave of racism unlike anything seen in my lifetime. I hate this rhetoric that our country is losing its identity – it’s an idea born from fascism and extremely dangerous and offensive to anyone who isn’t white. A disgusting idea that will only gain momentum should Farage et al get into power. Truly vile.
Labour should stop chasing Reform voters they’re not coming over. The smarter move is to stand firm on values, set out a clear plan, and show people how they’ll help. Tax wealth, not work.
Cameron pandered to UKIP and gave the country a referendum that broke the country. Labour can’t afford to repeat that mistake.
Voices like Jeremy Corbyn and Zack Polanski matter, because people pushed aside by Labour still need somewhere to belong.
Says the guy that’s also…playing into the hands of Reform.
I see the narrative is already set. Regardless of facts people have already decided that when Labour get decimated it’s going to be “the left’s” fault.
It couldn’t possibly be because neoliberal centrism is a fundamentally absurd ideology that inevitably leads to electoral apathy and the rise of reactionary parties. That would mean admitting they were wrong and that couldn’t be the case.
Even without Corbyn’s party Labour were getting crushed in the polls. A lot of people here really do not understand the 2024 election results and seem to believe that there’s a massive cohort of diehard Starmer fans or people who will vote for Starmer to keep Reform out.
This flies in the face of all the data we have, which shows that these ‘sensible centrists’ are a tiny minority who cannot seem to deal with the fact that they got everything they wanted and it’s a complete shit show that will directly lead to a Reform government.
When you are in a race, you train, you give your best. You don’t worry about what the guy in lane 5 has done. At the end of the race you are judged on your ability. If labour want to win next election they have to show the country they have delivered meaningful change with honesty and integrity.
Corbyn is right that Starmer largely owes his election win to reform splitting the right-wing vote. I doubt they’ll have that advantage in 4 years’ time.
Now’s the perfect time to call for electoral reform (PR or ranked choice etc.). Get the right on board by pointing out how reform got 0.8% of the seats with 14.3% of the vote. Get the left on board by pointing out how Corbyn’s new party is going to split the left vote next election. Get the centrists on board by pointing out how a coalition is basically labour’s only chance at having power next election.
As a leftist who isn’t a big fan of labour, i’m at least willing to give them the 4 years to measure the success of their policies.
He spent 4.5 years playing into the hands to bojo the clown and farage when he was running ukip, so listen when he says he knows!
Says the guy that handed government to the Tory’s twice.
Mind you we are in a horrible situation of a nation that has no idea what it wants
Starmer has shot past the conservatives and gone further right than them and taken labour next to reform. What the fuck is he thinking?
If ever our country needed one individual then Jezza Corbyn is that individual. Britain is sleepwalking into a right wing extremist government under Farage.
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