>Figures from the Welsh government revealed there were 2,638 people injured, including deaths, on low-speed roads in the most recent 18 months, compared with 3,520 injuries between April 2022 and September 2023, a reduction of 25%.
Good news!
Something something absolute joke and woke, are the lives saved really worth making my commute 15minutes longer!
Edit: thought it was obvious but /s
Really? I don’t see anyone driving 20mph.
The whole anti-20mph argument can be summed up as: ‘I don’t care how many kids are run over every year, I want to get to Aldi 8 minutes quicker!’
That’s less injured. Less work time missed and a huge NHS saving.
I have to say it is annoying driving at 20mph but it’s obviously working, I had my doubts when it started tbh.
The worst people you know are upset about this
Is this a good thing? Obviously.
Do I complain about driving at 20? Obviously.
What always pissed me off far more than 20s is the apparent overabundance of 40 signs that councils had to get rid of by putting them in the most nonsensical places.
Are there no buildings or junctions and it should be a 60? 40.
Are there houses lining both sides of the road and it should be a 30, maybe even a 20? 40.
The guy printing 40 signs must have made a fucking fortune.
Or is it because the councils decided to set the limit to what the pensioners already drive, since most of them seem to put cruise control to 40 and never deviate, whether it’s a double carriageway or a school zone?
I do 25mph and watch for police and speed cameras.
I don’t actually mind the 20 zones, its just when your on roads with nothing around and its a 20, in the area I live I think it makes a lot of sense, I mean everyone ignores it, even doing 25/26 on the speedo if I have the cheek to drive during school drop off/pick up time I have angry mum’s in SUV’s 1mm from my bumper with extreme road rage and the child normally pretending this isn’t happening glued to their phone in the passenger seat.
Strangely enough the only bit local that everyone sticks to 20 is the bit with a speed camera, that is outside a school, but its only the last month or so the speed camera has been active for 20, when it was still at 30mph everyone just did 30, just kind of amused me how people shouted they are fine with it outside schools but clearly they are not unless its actually enforced.
Wrll shit.. I wonder if all those people complaining about Labour *wasting money* are going to retract the bile they spewed when it was introduced?
Labour have many, many, many other faults, but this clearly wasn’t one of them.
Haha, what awful reporting (headline). If the figure of people injured before the change was 1 million, a change of 900 less is probably not statistically significant
Was against the 20mph when it first came in, I didn’t understand why they didn’t just do it in front of schools etc.
Then when looking into it, changing a speed limit is expensive, a lot goes into it. It’s easier and far cheaper to change it all to 20 then gradually change certain roads back to 30.
My wife also does teaches speed awareness courses and I got to hear the safety argument behind it and it’s hard to argue against it.
Yes it’s bloody annoying but it saves lives and makes the chances of life changing injuries virtually impossible. It’s the difference between a child ending up with a broken wrist or a broken spine etc.
If it was one of your family members that was unfortunate enough to be hit by a car you would be thankful it was a 20mph zone
Nobody would care if the limit was 20mph from the start. It’s not the speed that people care about it’s the fact that they feel limited from before
I love it, our village is so much safer now. It has made a huge difference
I can’t say it’s fun. But if it saves lives and drops our insurance cost I think that’s reasonable.
People who ignore the 20mph rules are the same people who hang dog shit bags on trees, park 4 SUV’s outside their terraced home, take up 2 spaces in a full carpark, litter etc.
They don’t care about anybody but themselves and live a single player focussed entitled life. The world needs less of them.
Except the article states the average speed is 28mph, so you’d have got the same effect from just enforcing the original 30 limit more effectively
It’s a scandal! How are ambulance chasers meant to earn money?!
Why is Wales so venomly against 20mph, when a lot of places in Scotland and England that are 20mph have just… got on with it?
Is it because Labour introduced it?
Yea but it’s still stupid. 60mph A470 on to a 20 zone for a mile when NO house is about is fucking ridiculous.
Meanwhile, in Deform land….
We can get that down further if we just reduce it another 19mph and install MORE speed cameras. I just know it.
What about deaths? Clearly it had very little if any effect on deaths if that’s not the lead figure. This is all about cameras and tax revenue not public safety.
Looks like a continuation of a downward trend that was happening anyway, there’s also been a bounce back in the almost sawtooth decline we’ve seen since 2015 with a bump down from 20mph
If these graphs show anything it’s that COVID is best for reducing road deaths!
If I’d implemented this policy, I’d be much more bold about it’s wins.
Nearly 1000 less casualties and the safest roads since records began in the 1970s.
Cost £34m to implement but more than paid for itself in 2 years (Road deaths and injuries are a huge drain on the public purse, even ignoring the human impacts)
Lower car insurance premiums that do not appear to have been mirrored in other parts of the UK.
Quieter traffic (a car going 20 makes about half as much noise as a car going 30).
No significant change in journey times because most time loss driving is from waiting at lights doing 0mph (some of which won’t be needed in future if vehicle speeds are lower) or from pollution because vehicles produce most of their tailpipe emissions from accelerating, and most of their brake emissions from stopping, and it takes 2.25x less energy to get to or stop from 20 than 30.
There’s still so much misinformation out there and some drivers are seemingly literally just giant babies who get annoyed at even the most minor inconvenience and publicly demonstrate just how incompetent they are at driving or understanding how cars actually work.
I think the politicians who brought it in need to double down on it, actually sell it’s benefits to the public now that there’s hard data and evidence to back up the policy and own their work, any maybe, just maybe, we’ll keep benefitting from the policy going forward.
The places where it’s 20mph are normally justifiable, like a tight street, parking on both sides and a school nearby.
I think they did a blanket 20mph just to see where the most complaints would be then adjust accordingly, like my street. It used to be 40 many years ago, which was crazy as it quickly goes into a busy village. Then it was 30 for years. They changed it to 20 and everyone kicked off, rightly so, as there’s tons of room both sides and you can see way ahead, but the village remain 20 which is sensible.
I never had a problem with the limit coming in. The difference it made to crossing the road has been massive in certain parts of my town. You could never really judge when it was safe but with most cars doing 20 it’s easy to cross and not get locked into a cycle of waiting and hoping. It’s especially beneficial for some of the older generations that need to cross over from a bus stop nearby.
It’s easier to see the people that are speeding because of how quick the cars look in comparison to the majority.
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>Figures from the Welsh government revealed there were 2,638 people injured, including deaths, on low-speed roads in the most recent 18 months, compared with 3,520 injuries between April 2022 and September 2023, a reduction of 25%.
Good news!
Something something absolute joke and woke, are the lives saved really worth making my commute 15minutes longer!
Edit: thought it was obvious but /s
Really? I don’t see anyone driving 20mph.
The whole anti-20mph argument can be summed up as: ‘I don’t care how many kids are run over every year, I want to get to Aldi 8 minutes quicker!’
That’s less injured. Less work time missed and a huge NHS saving.
I have to say it is annoying driving at 20mph but it’s obviously working, I had my doubts when it started tbh.
The worst people you know are upset about this
Is this a good thing? Obviously.
Do I complain about driving at 20? Obviously.
What always pissed me off far more than 20s is the apparent overabundance of 40 signs that councils had to get rid of by putting them in the most nonsensical places.
Are there no buildings or junctions and it should be a 60? 40.
Are there houses lining both sides of the road and it should be a 30, maybe even a 20? 40.
The guy printing 40 signs must have made a fucking fortune.
Or is it because the councils decided to set the limit to what the pensioners already drive, since most of them seem to put cruise control to 40 and never deviate, whether it’s a double carriageway or a school zone?
I do 25mph and watch for police and speed cameras.
I don’t actually mind the 20 zones, its just when your on roads with nothing around and its a 20, in the area I live I think it makes a lot of sense, I mean everyone ignores it, even doing 25/26 on the speedo if I have the cheek to drive during school drop off/pick up time I have angry mum’s in SUV’s 1mm from my bumper with extreme road rage and the child normally pretending this isn’t happening glued to their phone in the passenger seat.
Strangely enough the only bit local that everyone sticks to 20 is the bit with a speed camera, that is outside a school, but its only the last month or so the speed camera has been active for 20, when it was still at 30mph everyone just did 30, just kind of amused me how people shouted they are fine with it outside schools but clearly they are not unless its actually enforced.
Wrll shit.. I wonder if all those people complaining about Labour *wasting money* are going to retract the bile they spewed when it was introduced?
Labour have many, many, many other faults, but this clearly wasn’t one of them.
Haha, what awful reporting (headline). If the figure of people injured before the change was 1 million, a change of 900 less is probably not statistically significant
Was against the 20mph when it first came in, I didn’t understand why they didn’t just do it in front of schools etc.
Then when looking into it, changing a speed limit is expensive, a lot goes into it. It’s easier and far cheaper to change it all to 20 then gradually change certain roads back to 30.
My wife also does teaches speed awareness courses and I got to hear the safety argument behind it and it’s hard to argue against it.
Yes it’s bloody annoying but it saves lives and makes the chances of life changing injuries virtually impossible. It’s the difference between a child ending up with a broken wrist or a broken spine etc.
If it was one of your family members that was unfortunate enough to be hit by a car you would be thankful it was a 20mph zone
Nobody would care if the limit was 20mph from the start. It’s not the speed that people care about it’s the fact that they feel limited from before
I love it, our village is so much safer now. It has made a huge difference
I can’t say it’s fun. But if it saves lives and drops our insurance cost I think that’s reasonable.
People who ignore the 20mph rules are the same people who hang dog shit bags on trees, park 4 SUV’s outside their terraced home, take up 2 spaces in a full carpark, litter etc.
They don’t care about anybody but themselves and live a single player focussed entitled life. The world needs less of them.
Except the article states the average speed is 28mph, so you’d have got the same effect from just enforcing the original 30 limit more effectively
It’s a scandal! How are ambulance chasers meant to earn money?!
Why is Wales so venomly against 20mph, when a lot of places in Scotland and England that are 20mph have just… got on with it?
Is it because Labour introduced it?
Yea but it’s still stupid. 60mph A470 on to a 20 zone for a mile when NO house is about is fucking ridiculous.
Meanwhile, in Deform land….
We can get that down further if we just reduce it another 19mph and install MORE speed cameras. I just know it.
What about deaths? Clearly it had very little if any effect on deaths if that’s not the lead figure. This is all about cameras and tax revenue not public safety.
https://www.gov.wales/police-recorded-road-collisions-january-march-2025-provisional-html#:~:text=statistics%2C%20Welsh%20Government-,20%20and%2030mph%20road%20speed%20limit,and%20313%20were%20slight%20injuries.
Anyone looking for the data for this
Looks like a continuation of a downward trend that was happening anyway, there’s also been a bounce back in the almost sawtooth decline we’ve seen since 2015 with a bump down from 20mph
If these graphs show anything it’s that COVID is best for reducing road deaths!
If I’d implemented this policy, I’d be much more bold about it’s wins.
Nearly 1000 less casualties and the safest roads since records began in the 1970s.
Cost £34m to implement but more than paid for itself in 2 years (Road deaths and injuries are a huge drain on the public purse, even ignoring the human impacts)
Lower car insurance premiums that do not appear to have been mirrored in other parts of the UK.
Quieter traffic (a car going 20 makes about half as much noise as a car going 30).
No significant change in journey times because most time loss driving is from waiting at lights doing 0mph (some of which won’t be needed in future if vehicle speeds are lower) or from pollution because vehicles produce most of their tailpipe emissions from accelerating, and most of their brake emissions from stopping, and it takes 2.25x less energy to get to or stop from 20 than 30.
There’s still so much misinformation out there and some drivers are seemingly literally just giant babies who get annoyed at even the most minor inconvenience and publicly demonstrate just how incompetent they are at driving or understanding how cars actually work.
I think the politicians who brought it in need to double down on it, actually sell it’s benefits to the public now that there’s hard data and evidence to back up the policy and own their work, any maybe, just maybe, we’ll keep benefitting from the policy going forward.
The places where it’s 20mph are normally justifiable, like a tight street, parking on both sides and a school nearby.
I think they did a blanket 20mph just to see where the most complaints would be then adjust accordingly, like my street. It used to be 40 many years ago, which was crazy as it quickly goes into a busy village. Then it was 30 for years. They changed it to 20 and everyone kicked off, rightly so, as there’s tons of room both sides and you can see way ahead, but the village remain 20 which is sensible.
I never had a problem with the limit coming in. The difference it made to crossing the road has been massive in certain parts of my town. You could never really judge when it was safe but with most cars doing 20 it’s easy to cross and not get locked into a cycle of waiting and hoping. It’s especially beneficial for some of the older generations that need to cross over from a bus stop nearby.
It’s easier to see the people that are speeding because of how quick the cars look in comparison to the majority.
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