Years ago, when Russian Su-24 violated Turkish airspace, this was the response it received.

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by Battlefleet_Sol

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  3. The MIG 31s in Estonia also had air to ground armaments (pls correct me if I’m wrong) so they presented a clear threat. I don’t know how you cannot shoot at least 1 of them down, which would’ve probably been enough. Otherwise this will just happen over and over again.

    Also, unlike the incident in Turkey, those were 3 jets and not just 1, so the likelihood that is was just pilot error or a faulty navigation system ( which to be fair definitely could happen) is near 0.

    Edit: spelling

    Edit 2:

    Apparently they did NOT have air to ground armaments, only IR FOX 2 air to air missles. Thank you for the clarification!

    I also am aware that they only flew a few km inside Estonian air space and not even over the mainland. But since, like I said before, there’s no way that this waas just an accident, that surely must have been on porpuse. They probably only fly a few km inside NATO airspace so that we don’t think it’s a big deal and don’t do anything in response. They want us to get used to them violating our Airspace.

    Also just to be clear, I would only want them to be shot down after they’ve been warned multiple times and given multiple chances to leave NATO airspace. Still, in this instance it might have been the right choice although I don’t want to claim that I know any better than NATO Air command.

  6. And 6 months later, Erdogan begged Putin for forgiveness, had the pilots arrested, called them traitors and framed them as part fo the Gülen movement. After Russia started to lift the sanctions against Turkey, Erdogan announced to buy Russian AA systems instead of Amercian ones.

  7. Yet I remember how everyone condemned Turkey for this, how time changes.

  10. There are still people spreading false information, so let’s set the record straight. First of all, after this incident, Turkish pilots were not arrested; their identities were kept secret for their own safety. There is no evidence that they were detained. Regarding the issue of Erdoğan apologizing: after the incident, Europe left Turkey isolated and did not offer strong support, since Merkel’s goal was to appease Russia. Europe was quite passive, and after the Karlov assassination, Erdoğan expressed regret over the incident in order to ease relations, but he did not officially apologize.

    After this incident, not a single Russian aircraft violated Turkey’s borders again, because they understood what would happen to them. Let’s not forget that if Europe and the United States had not left Turkey isolated, Turkey would neither have bought the S-400s from Russia nor developed such close ties with Moscow.

  11. I assume that Finland (for one example) doesnt react because to turn on the radar and missile systems would be to allow the russians to start figuring out where they are. Finland makes a business of not overreacting to this stuff. Russian aircraft routinely violate the airspace so if every time the equipment launches into action they will get critical data. and if they know where the equipment is deployed it will make it easier for them when a war would come. I would imagine that a lot of countries do this to maintain ambiguity about their capacity. a country like Turkey, not to even talk about the US, could far more easily just shoot them down without consequences. The Baltic states have a lot less luxury in this regard.

  12. People saying Erdogan apologized to Putin and blah blah blah. But there is something they WANT to forget, Relations between Turkey and Russia after the RU airfract was shot down and after the murder of russian ambassador in Ankara were so tense, and guess fucking what? NATO countries backed down and distanced themselves from Turkey, a loyal and a firm member of the alliance. European powers went as far as to call for “de-escalation” between parties like there is a beef between two countries somewhere in Southeast Asia.

    Turkey took it’s lessons here but so did Russia, it never violated Turkish airspace ever since.

  15. The right of any sovereign nation. Especially if the violator is a known aggressor

  17. It is also the response it should receive when any Russian aircraft violates NATO airspace. Its the only thing Russia understands.

  18. This keeps being brought up. But conveniently, what isn’t mentioned is that the NATO countries pulled their air defence assets from Turkey in response and left the country alone to face the angry Russian forces in Syria. They also did nothing to help Turkey diplomatically and economically when she got sanctioned by Russia (which actually hurt Turkey) and her forces bombed in Syria, leading to Turkish casualties as “accident”. There was just silence and heads turning away.

    All the misleading top comments in this thread aren’t doing Turkey a service by mentioning this incident, because they either omit or are ignorant of the above. At the same time, Ukraine is getting all the help and positive attention. There is a very big contrast between how the two are treated. So in fact, every time this gets mentioned, Turkey should be insulted.

  19. It should be the response every time a threat is made to another country

  20. Let’s not forget Turkey is a NATO country, and after shooting down a russian aircraft that violated Turkish (i.e. NATO) airspace the WWIII didn’t start, Russia didn’t escalate, instead it never ever again dared to violate Turkish airspace.

  21. This happened around American thanksgiving leading to one of the funniest memes I’ve ever seen:
    “In Soviet Russia, Turkey shoots you”

  22. Man you Folks are so pathetic. I can clearly remember how pissed the europeans were. German Politicans were openly stating, that they wont support turkey and this lead to the realization that turkey will always be on its own. This was the reason erdogan had to excuse this action when he spoke to putin. You eurotards are one of a kind.

  24. People on this sub are so pathetic. You don’t usually resort to shot down aircraft in your airspace as the first response because it’s expected your aircraft will invade theirs too, since they are literally bordered right next to each other. It’s pure courtesy unless you want your pilots minor error or lapse of judgement devolving into some fatal accidents, it’s a mutual understanding. Second unless you have trust in your radar system a fast response like this will impact civilian aircraft too, like what happened to KAL007, IAF 655 or UIA 752. Bunch of mindless and bloodthirsty drones.

  25. I know that I will be downvoted ti the hell but let me just just remind you how many of our redditor friends responded to this after Turkey warned officially Russia three times for month long border violations.. Turkey was blamed here on Reddit for starting 3rd world war. Many wrote that Turkey must not be defended in case of a Russian attack. Some wrote that Turkey must be kicked out of NATO, article 5 must not work for Turkey,… Later some countries including US, Germany, England, Netherlands,… drew Patriot batteries from Turkey by telling that they needed upgrade, service, long deployment time when it just needed them more than anytime… if someone will try to tell me that thy were drown out from Turkey because of S-400 that was in 2017.

  26. Good, now lets see europeans or muricans do it, we will pray for you of course! Just dont count our support for it go europa! Love from Turkey, which you guys didnt support us at all after this incident

  27. Everyone’s holding their horses and for a good reason.

    None of you would like to enter a decade of war. It has been too much, Covid was only 5 years ago.

  28. That moment literally froze Russian and Turkish relations overnight. Risked pulling NATO into a conflict too. Bold move or dangerous gamble?

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