The whole thing is so complicated, none of them including the doctors who want the new hospital are lawyers so it’s hard to know who to believe.
The one clear cut part I don’t get is why tax payer money is building a new hospital and then handing it over to a private company. Isn’t that the total opposite of what slaintecare is meant to be? FFG have such a hard on for handing public assets to private entities.
What’s her legal basis for making those points?
Emotion aside, where’s the evidence to support the contention medical care can be interfered with by a religious order?
“Former NMH master (Dr. Rhona Mahony) says new hospital will have clinical, operational and financial independence”
Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have been making fools of the tax payer for many years. From start to finish this project has been a disaster. Nobody is accountable.
If someone owed you €50000, never paid and came along offering to lease you a top of the range Mercedes for 10c a month would you believe they weren’t up to something ? Cause it’s fairly obvious the SoC and the CC are up to something. I mean are we really to believe they’ll suddenly turn a blind eye to abortion and contraceptive services being offered on church owned property ? Because if you believe that I’ve a bridge over the Liffey to sell you.
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What a very posh accent she has.
I’ve wanted to vote SocDem for years but they don’t run in my constituency and i can’t run for political office thanks to my job
There should be complete separation of church and state and this is a step backwards in that regard.
In a perfect world the only connection the catholic church should have with a modern Ireland is them being held accountable for their crimes and repaying their debts to society.
And what of BAM too, they do seem to have a somewhat…. colourful history.
The Event Centre in Cork is still waiting to be built; the plans have been repeatedly changed, the features scaled back, the public investment required repeatedly increased; and we still have no idea when it’ll start. They also have permission for a hotel and office block nearby, where the existing building was demolished and left as a pile of rubble for months, and it still has no sign of starting construction.
And the Tivoli docks relocation, where they won a tender of €46m, only to then discover they’d made an error and there would be an additional €12m cost.
I’d really love to compare with public-private projects across other countries – I suspect it’s the same but would love to know if others just get projects done on-time and on-budget.
I mean, I can understand how (say) a tunnel project or a major bridge could go massively over budget based on complications during construction, but a hospital?
Anything other than the land being gifted to or purchased by the governemnt is completely unnaceptable.
I’m at the stage where I’m ready to engage in political activism. Why aren’t we just throwing buckets of red paint over every single church in the country, maybe then the pricks will get the message. They’ve done fuck all for the victims of their abuse and they’re still allowed to preach their lies, still have their tax exempt status, still allowed to pick and choose who teaches at our schools. Why the fuck do we allow this.
How can they just use state funds for their own personal gain like this? They’re not even trying to hide their corruption anymore.
**Edit:** Incase your curious as to why Dr Rhona Murphy is backing the hostpital being build, take a look at this article:
Somehow, she and maaaaaany other indivudials were having their ridiculous salaries topped up by the government. Funny that, imagine being on 236k a year and needing a stipend of 45k from the governemnt.
When FG councillors were asked: “I was very surprised to read about the private allowance. It never came up at the meetings I attended and I would not agree with it,” he said.
The lord Mayor of Dublin, who had multiple positions on hospital boards, was also unaware of these controversial payments.
They are robbing us blind.
Right and her solution is?
They have a 300 year lease and the owners will have zero say in the running of the hospital. Its time for those criticising this to put up or shutup
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What are the other options?
Eminent domain, and be dragged through the courts for years The hospital needs to be on that site or close to it for medical reasons. Hollis street is no longer fit for purpose.
Is it messy, yeah, but thats just how it is.
There no difference from a leasing agreement to owning, welcome to the future boys, your personal wealth is there to be taken by investment company’s
And yet here we are.
When you ask them to put into writing that we want certain things protected, and they respond that there’s no need because we just need to trust them, well you’ve got some fucking track record of showing you can’t be trusted. The fact they won’t put it in writing is a massive red flag
The Social Democrats are undoubtedly the most BASED party in this country.
Gowan Holly ya legend
It’s almost hilarious, it’s a 300 year lease. I would bite any bodies off if they leased me land for 300 years at a tenner a year (£1 used to be more common) and I can do what I want with it.
Not good enough for Holly though!
Everything is ~~for sale~~ given away in Ireland! Isn’t that what Putin did, privatise everything and give ownership to his buddies?
Absolute cunts
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This woman might cost us hundreds of millions and years of delays because she doesn’t understand what a Voluntary Hospital is. What a disaster. How does is this woman allowed to repeat the lie that the new St Vincent’s Group is run by the Sisters of Charity? As I said before, voluntary hospitals are have their cons but there is a Catholic element here
Every nun i’ve ever known has been sound to me, one time sister Asumtha(might be badly spelled) made a joke about protestants and Fergus’ father came in and demanded an apology (he was CofI)but that was by far the worst behavior I’ve seen from them so maybe lets not get crazy and stop the worlds largest charity from helping with a problem no one wants to touch, that they also caused.
However im merely a humble gobshite this is anecdotal.
Has the Church given any explanation as to why they insist on maintaining freehold over the land? If they’re not interested in money, what interest could they have in owning the land other than in influencing care?
The Irish Times have published these 6 conditions that the 10eur a year lease are contingent on and it’s basically the site is only ever used by the State as a hospital. The hospital isn’t going to last 300 years obviously.
Having read all I can about this I simply do not believe clinical independence will be compromised. There’s nothing to suggest it. The alternative is the State goes and buys a site which will cause huge delays and obviously be very expensive.
The top 60% of her head looks good but the bottom 40% just doesn’t really work for some reason.
In any right thinking country on earth this would be the straw that broke the camel’s back. And sink the government. FG and FF would have to go away and never come back.
I’m going to start holding my breath waiting on that to happen… now.
Why can’t the government just CPO (compulsory purchase order) the land?
The church owe us hundreds of millions in reparations to victims. We shouldn’t be handing them shite. We should be confiscating their assets (i.e land) and telling them to get fucked
Vote SocDem
I would just like to say thank you to the people of the Cork South West constituency for voting for Holly Cairns on the last election. She is not just an excellent representative for them, but for the people of the country in general. She has been doing stellar work since her election. If we had a few more like her, we would be in much better shape.
Why would the CC need a hospital out of everything?? I just don’t get it
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The whole thing is so complicated, none of them including the doctors who want the new hospital are lawyers so it’s hard to know who to believe.
The one clear cut part I don’t get is why tax payer money is building a new hospital and then handing it over to a private company. Isn’t that the total opposite of what slaintecare is meant to be? FFG have such a hard on for handing public assets to private entities.
What’s her legal basis for making those points?
Emotion aside, where’s the evidence to support the contention medical care can be interfered with by a religious order?
“Former NMH master (Dr. Rhona Mahony) says new hospital will have clinical, operational and financial independence”
https://www.rte.ie/radio/podcasts/22092984-former-nmh-master-says-new-hospital-will-have-cli/
Fine Gael and Fianna Fail have been making fools of the tax payer for many years. From start to finish this project has been a disaster. Nobody is accountable.
If someone owed you €50000, never paid and came along offering to lease you a top of the range Mercedes for 10c a month would you believe they weren’t up to something ? Cause it’s fairly obvious the SoC and the CC are up to something. I mean are we really to believe they’ll suddenly turn a blind eye to abortion and contraceptive services being offered on church owned property ? Because if you believe that I’ve a bridge over the Liffey to sell you.
[removed]
What a very posh accent she has.
I’ve wanted to vote SocDem for years but they don’t run in my constituency and i can’t run for political office thanks to my job
There should be complete separation of church and state and this is a step backwards in that regard.
In a perfect world the only connection the catholic church should have with a modern Ireland is them being held accountable for their crimes and repaying their debts to society.
And what of BAM too, they do seem to have a somewhat…. colourful history.
The Event Centre in Cork is still waiting to be built; the plans have been repeatedly changed, the features scaled back, the public investment required repeatedly increased; and we still have no idea when it’ll start. They also have permission for a hotel and office block nearby, where the existing building was demolished and left as a pile of rubble for months, and it still has no sign of starting construction.
And the Tivoli docks relocation, where they won a tender of €46m, only to then discover they’d made an error and there would be an additional €12m cost.
I’d really love to compare with public-private projects across other countries – I suspect it’s the same but would love to know if others just get projects done on-time and on-budget.
I mean, I can understand how (say) a tunnel project or a major bridge could go massively over budget based on complications during construction, but a hospital?
Anything other than the land being gifted to or purchased by the governemnt is completely unnaceptable.
I’m at the stage where I’m ready to engage in political activism. Why aren’t we just throwing buckets of red paint over every single church in the country, maybe then the pricks will get the message. They’ve done fuck all for the victims of their abuse and they’re still allowed to preach their lies, still have their tax exempt status, still allowed to pick and choose who teaches at our schools. Why the fuck do we allow this.
How can they just use state funds for their own personal gain like this? They’re not even trying to hide their corruption anymore.
**Edit:** Incase your curious as to why Dr Rhona Murphy is backing the hostpital being build, take a look at this article:
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/hospital-board-member-surprised-at-pay-perks-29772560.html
Somehow, she and maaaaaany other indivudials were having their ridiculous salaries topped up by the government. Funny that, imagine being on 236k a year and needing a stipend of 45k from the governemnt.
When FG councillors were asked: “I was very surprised to read about the private allowance. It never came up at the meetings I attended and I would not agree with it,” he said.
The lord Mayor of Dublin, who had multiple positions on hospital boards, was also unaware of these controversial payments.
They are robbing us blind.
Right and her solution is?
They have a 300 year lease and the owners will have zero say in the running of the hospital. Its time for those criticising this to put up or shutup
​
What are the other options?
Eminent domain, and be dragged through the courts for years The hospital needs to be on that site or close to it for medical reasons. Hollis street is no longer fit for purpose.
Is it messy, yeah, but thats just how it is.
There no difference from a leasing agreement to owning, welcome to the future boys, your personal wealth is there to be taken by investment company’s
And yet here we are.
When you ask them to put into writing that we want certain things protected, and they respond that there’s no need because we just need to trust them, well you’ve got some fucking track record of showing you can’t be trusted. The fact they won’t put it in writing is a massive red flag
The Social Democrats are undoubtedly the most BASED party in this country.
Gowan Holly ya legend
It’s almost hilarious, it’s a 300 year lease. I would bite any bodies off if they leased me land for 300 years at a tenner a year (£1 used to be more common) and I can do what I want with it.
Not good enough for Holly though!
Everything is ~~for sale~~ given away in Ireland! Isn’t that what Putin did, privatise everything and give ownership to his buddies?
Absolute cunts
well said
This woman might cost us hundreds of millions and years of delays because she doesn’t understand what a Voluntary Hospital is. What a disaster. How does is this woman allowed to repeat the lie that the new St Vincent’s Group is run by the Sisters of Charity? As I said before, voluntary hospitals are have their cons but there is a Catholic element here
Every nun i’ve ever known has been sound to me, one time sister Asumtha(might be badly spelled) made a joke about protestants and Fergus’ father came in and demanded an apology (he was CofI)but that was by far the worst behavior I’ve seen from them so maybe lets not get crazy and stop the worlds largest charity from helping with a problem no one wants to touch, that they also caused.
However im merely a humble gobshite this is anecdotal.
Has the Church given any explanation as to why they insist on maintaining freehold over the land? If they’re not interested in money, what interest could they have in owning the land other than in influencing care?
The Irish Times have published these 6 conditions that the 10eur a year lease are contingent on and it’s basically the site is only ever used by the State as a hospital. The hospital isn’t going to last 300 years obviously.
Having read all I can about this I simply do not believe clinical independence will be compromised. There’s nothing to suggest it. The alternative is the State goes and buys a site which will cause huge delays and obviously be very expensive.
The top 60% of her head looks good but the bottom 40% just doesn’t really work for some reason.
In any right thinking country on earth this would be the straw that broke the camel’s back. And sink the government. FG and FF would have to go away and never come back.
I’m going to start holding my breath waiting on that to happen… now.
Why can’t the government just CPO (compulsory purchase order) the land?
The church owe us hundreds of millions in reparations to victims. We shouldn’t be handing them shite. We should be confiscating their assets (i.e land) and telling them to get fucked
Vote SocDem
I would just like to say thank you to the people of the Cork South West constituency for voting for Holly Cairns on the last election. She is not just an excellent representative for them, but for the people of the country in general. She has been doing stellar work since her election. If we had a few more like her, we would be in much better shape.
Why would the CC need a hospital out of everything?? I just don’t get it
She’s not wrong it’s honestly shocking tbh.