I’ve never actually seen that verse of it before lol
That’s not what the article says, it’s actually a moderately sensible piece, and you’re getting angry about an antique anthem’s sixth verse, which I’ve never heard sung by anyone under any circumstances.
The telegraph is entirely manufactured outrage these days, it’s sad as it once was a real newspaper, albeit one I never agreed with politically. To be honest it’s probably best to just ignore it.
Ahh the telegraph. Seem to have a bee in their bonnet about my home town, getting regularly told to fuck off.
Click bait?
The relevant bit 2/3 down
>But the second verse, which urges God to “scatter our enemies, and make them fall! / Confound their politics, frustrate their knavish tricks”, might be about Jacobites, too. **The song was first sung in 1745, when it was performed at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane after the Jacobite victory at Prestonpans.** Singing along was a way to demonstrate publicly your loyalty during a war – less urgent in 2025.
And it wasn’t used afterwards
The main part is how a German politician is trying to change the Germany’s anthem again as the versions are *problematic* given their history
As a rebellious Scot I’m fine with them leaving that in.
That said, if you skip the headline and the sub headline that’s an interesting article that doesn’t express anything like the sentiment the headline implies.
Scots will still buy that rag though. Blows my mind.
These people getting angry about not including anti-Scots lines in their national anthem will almost definitely be the same people who will say that Flower of Scotland shouldn’t be sung.
Royalists are absolute weirdos
They never crushed us, we had to throw our nations wealth in a hole in Honduras to be conquered and even then we fell victim to Englands true power “Confusing Paperwork”.
I have other issues with this moronic song before we get close to crushing Scots.
God – who? I’m an atheist and don’t believe in fairy stories. Save – save from what or whom? His awful family of inbred paedos?. The King – it’s 2025 FFS! He’s not my king. Rant over.
As always, there’s a Billy Connolly bit for everything in life.
“Rebellious Scots to crush?”
“Oh, you think so, do you?”
That’s the only context I’ve ever heard this verse mentioned in.
The thing that everyone always misses about this verse:
It was written by a “loyal Scot” to differentiate themselves from the general English hatred of *all* Scots by claiming that it was only the “rebellious Scots” who should be crushed and not the “good, loyal Scots”. The same obsequious movement went on to attempt to rename themselves “North Britons” and Scotland “North Britain”, so wide was the anti-Scottish prejudice in England.
These matters continually resurface.
Your ReformUK, Unite the Kingdom folks all frequently dip their toes into “porridge-wog” stuff all the time
Little fun fact when the jacobites beat the Royal army at the battle of Prestonpans Prince Charlie ordered that the wounded redcoats and jacibites get treated equally because they were all his fathers subjects. When the Government troops won at culloden they ordered the slaughter of every jacobite on the field.
Let that sink in.
They should sing this verse first and foremost to remind the Britnats they are second class citizen.
The telegraph has been fully culture war demented for a while now, it is no longer a serious publication
IIRC, Germany has previously changed the words of their anthem to make it less bellicose and drop some territorial claims or ambitions. I *think* this happened after WW2 when “Deutschland Uber Alles” was fully re-asserted over the Nazi Anthem the “Horst Wessel Lied” adopted to commemorate that particularly nasty individual.
The rap sheet for the ex-newspaper known as the Torygraph is looong and laborious. Edited highlights include their fulsome praise for the Kwarteng/Truss “fiscal event”. That’s all you need to know about them.
Still prefer the Sex Pistols version of this song though…
I mean, we sing about defeating England, dunno why they feel they can’t sing about crushing us. I generally don’t give a toss.
Yeah, that bit doesn’t seem very united, to be fair.
I for one love that both the Scottish and English national anthems are about beating each other in battle.
European rivalries are one of the great parts of being European
They should just change that line to “Rebellious Scots – a plus”
This was never a verse of the National Anthem. There was a “someone told me that someone told me” account of it being sung as a parody in music halls in London in 1745, long before there was even a National Anthem. Basic research.
They’d be amongst the first to moan about a football supporter signing the Celtic symphony.
Nobody goes beyond verse 1.
What in fuck is “the advance of Woke” supposed to even mean?
Spoiler alert the part about Marshal Wade was A. Never officially part of the national anthem and B. Hasn’t been used for over a century not to mention Marshal Wade didn’t do much that was controversial unlike the Duke of Cumberland who replaced him there’s a reason why he’s called Butcher Cumberland
As a Scot, I take a bit of pride in being referred to as rebellious. It’s a bit like being a Saturday morning cartoon villain that always gets thwarted every week.
A German politician changing a national anthem? That’s never happened before, what a woke loony
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Link for those who want to kill some brain cells
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/national-anthems-rewritten/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/news/national-anthems-rewritten/)
The Telegraph thinks is an oxymoron.
I’ve never actually seen that verse of it before lol
That’s not what the article says, it’s actually a moderately sensible piece, and you’re getting angry about an antique anthem’s sixth verse, which I’ve never heard sung by anyone under any circumstances.
The telegraph is entirely manufactured outrage these days, it’s sad as it once was a real newspaper, albeit one I never agreed with politically. To be honest it’s probably best to just ignore it.
Ahh the telegraph. Seem to have a bee in their bonnet about my home town, getting regularly told to fuck off.
Click bait?
The relevant bit 2/3 down
>But the second verse, which urges God to “scatter our enemies, and make them fall! / Confound their politics, frustrate their knavish tricks”, might be about Jacobites, too. **The song was first sung in 1745, when it was performed at the Theatre Royal, Drury Lane after the Jacobite victory at Prestonpans.** Singing along was a way to demonstrate publicly your loyalty during a war – less urgent in 2025.
And it wasn’t used afterwards
The main part is how a German politician is trying to change the Germany’s anthem again as the versions are *problematic* given their history
As a rebellious Scot I’m fine with them leaving that in.
That said, if you skip the headline and the sub headline that’s an interesting article that doesn’t express anything like the sentiment the headline implies.
Scots will still buy that rag though. Blows my mind.
These people getting angry about not including anti-Scots lines in their national anthem will almost definitely be the same people who will say that Flower of Scotland shouldn’t be sung.
Royalists are absolute weirdos
They never crushed us, we had to throw our nations wealth in a hole in Honduras to be conquered and even then we fell victim to Englands true power “Confusing Paperwork”.
I have other issues with this moronic song before we get close to crushing Scots.
God – who? I’m an atheist and don’t believe in fairy stories. Save – save from what or whom? His awful family of inbred paedos?. The King – it’s 2025 FFS! He’s not my king. Rant over.
As always, there’s a Billy Connolly bit for everything in life.
“Rebellious Scots to crush?”
“Oh, you think so, do you?”
That’s the only context I’ve ever heard this verse mentioned in.
The thing that everyone always misses about this verse:
It was written by a “loyal Scot” to differentiate themselves from the general English hatred of *all* Scots by claiming that it was only the “rebellious Scots” who should be crushed and not the “good, loyal Scots”. The same obsequious movement went on to attempt to rename themselves “North Britons” and Scotland “North Britain”, so wide was the anti-Scottish prejudice in England.
These matters continually resurface.
Your ReformUK, Unite the Kingdom folks all frequently dip their toes into “porridge-wog” stuff all the time
Little fun fact when the jacobites beat the Royal army at the battle of Prestonpans Prince Charlie ordered that the wounded redcoats and jacibites get treated equally because they were all his fathers subjects. When the Government troops won at culloden they ordered the slaughter of every jacobite on the field.
Let that sink in.
They should sing this verse first and foremost to remind the Britnats they are second class citizen.
The telegraph has been fully culture war demented for a while now, it is no longer a serious publication
IIRC, Germany has previously changed the words of their anthem to make it less bellicose and drop some territorial claims or ambitions. I *think* this happened after WW2 when “Deutschland Uber Alles” was fully re-asserted over the Nazi Anthem the “Horst Wessel Lied” adopted to commemorate that particularly nasty individual.
The rap sheet for the ex-newspaper known as the Torygraph is looong and laborious. Edited highlights include their fulsome praise for the Kwarteng/Truss “fiscal event”. That’s all you need to know about them.
Still prefer the Sex Pistols version of this song though…
I mean, we sing about defeating England, dunno why they feel they can’t sing about crushing us. I generally don’t give a toss.
Yeah, that bit doesn’t seem very united, to be fair.
I for one love that both the Scottish and English national anthems are about beating each other in battle.
European rivalries are one of the great parts of being European
They should just change that line to “Rebellious Scots – a plus”
This was never a verse of the National Anthem. There was a “someone told me that someone told me” account of it being sung as a parody in music halls in London in 1745, long before there was even a National Anthem. Basic research.
They’d be amongst the first to moan about a football supporter signing the Celtic symphony.
Nobody goes beyond verse 1.
What in fuck is “the advance of Woke” supposed to even mean?
Spoiler alert the part about Marshal Wade was A. Never officially part of the national anthem and B. Hasn’t been used for over a century not to mention Marshal Wade didn’t do much that was controversial unlike the Duke of Cumberland who replaced him there’s a reason why he’s called Butcher Cumberland
As a Scot, I take a bit of pride in being referred to as rebellious. It’s a bit like being a Saturday morning cartoon villain that always gets thwarted every week.
A German politician changing a national anthem? That’s never happened before, what a woke loony
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