Imagine, “no we can’t lower taxes or invest in education because that’s what VB wants.”Clown.
**The former president of Défi, Olivier Maingain, is worried about the bill of Groen, Open-VLD and Défi that wants to ban unsedated slaughter in Brussels. He believes that the ban can only come about in consultation with Muslims and Jews. And he warns that his party has to avoid that the extreme right approves the proposal.**
On Wednesday, Vlaams Belang, N-VA and the majority parties Groen, Open-VLD and Défi each submitted their own ordinance (Brussels law) in parliament to ban unsedated slaughter in the Brussels region.
If the ordinance is approved, the Brussels Region will be in line with Flanders and Wallonia. They have already introduced a similar law. That legislation was recently validated by the Constitutional Court.
The debate on unsedated slaughter is a test for the majority in the Brussels Parliament. The latter is in fact divided on the prohibition of unsedated slaughter.
But Olivier Maingain, who as an ex-president still carries a lot of weight within his party Défi, thinks that his party can only approve that proposal if Muslims and Jews agree. He believes that a solution that reconciles religious freedom and animal welfare must be found.
“It should not become a debate hostile to respectable religious beliefs. unsedated slaughter has nothing to do with religious radicalism,” he told Le Soir.
He believes that Défi should, if necessary, amend its own bill to meet the concerns of Muslims and Jews.
**Cordon sanitaire**
Maingain also fears that the ordinance would receive the approval of identitary parties at the vote. And he wants to avoid that at all costs. “If the ordinance only gets a majority with the support of N-VA and Vlaams Belang, then we have to stop the parliamentary process. Because that would mean that we have broken the cordon sanitaire.”
With these statements, Maingain is taking the same line as the majority parties PS, Ecolo and Vooruit. They believe that a ban cannot be implemented if Muslims and Jews oppose it.
**Position remains what it is**
Current Défi chairman François De Smet does not want to be rushed by Olivier Maingain’s statements. “Those are for his account and do not change anything about our position,” he tells BRUZZ.
About the consultation with the religious communities, De Smet says that this is already foreseen. “There will be hearings in parliament with the representatives of Muslims and Jews, just as the animal rights organisations will also be invited.”
On breaking the cordon sanitaire, De Smet says that this is premature. “Vlaams Belang only has one seat. And every deputy has the freedom to vote for or against an ordinance.”
I am 100% not a Flemish nationalist but to me this seems like a really really bad look for the government of Brussels. Is the whole point of a cordon sanitair government forming anyway? Since when did it include policy two? I’m from a 2 party country so the concept is still a bit new to me.
Dude’s family would do well to check him for early onset dementia.
>majority with the support of Vlaams Belang would mean that we have broken the cordon sanitaire.
That’s not how the cordon sanitaire worked at all, and all he does is “confirm” to VB voters that it somehow still exists. In reality it just means that the parties generally agree to not form a government coalition with them, but there’s no legal binding nor anything official anymore.
Jesus christ (or Allah/Yahweh or whatever) are we still having this debate?! Fuck every single person who is against unsedated* slaughter. Religious freedom has to stop somewhere, and that somewhere is waaaay before animal cruelty
Edit: *sedated
Oh hey, back to the 90’s.
Several parties had a period where they voted against things they themselves had proposed because it turned out VB also voted in favor.
And then something made them realize how poor a reasoning that is.
If your core reason for doing something is being different from people you don’t like, then you’re not serving the public, at all.
So if VB vote against an obvious racist law then they will vote for it as to not break the cordon sanitaire?
F****ing lunatic.They just don’t care about animals.It’s all about the (religious) votes.
I suggest VB and NVA start being in favour of Belgian unity. Fastest way to reach their goals.
Remarkably coming from a politician that should also be in a cordon sanitaire.
Are we talking about pigs?
Pretty soon seperate booths for dutch speaking at city hall again.
Fucking hypocrites.
People in Belgium are so fucking hypocrites. They act like they care about animal rights but are just closeted islamophobes and anti-semites.
Banning unsedated slaughter does not result into more humane slaughterhouses, if you’ve ever been into a Western slaughterhouse you would turn vegetarian in a second.
Constant screaming of the animals, dead animals lying around the still living ones, you see the fear and desperation in their eyes.
All of these is not allowed in Islam and Judaism, if an animal has been slaughtered while being in stress, or by seeing/hearing the knife or other animals being slaughtered. It’s not halal/kosher anymore.
The animal must be treated with respect.
Hypocrites. You won’t even dare touch your psychotic slaughterhouses, but you’re all up in arms because of sedation? Everything that happens before the slaughter of an animal doesn’t matter, as long as Jews and Muslims are discriminated. Right?
Like yeah, fuck VB and fuck their racist reasoning for being against unsedated slaughter (because it’s actually to dunk on Muslims). *However*, it’s still a good idea regardless and shouldn’t be discarded simply because VB is in favour (for their own cynical reasons).
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Imagine, “no we can’t lower taxes or invest in education because that’s what VB wants.”Clown.
**The former president of Défi, Olivier Maingain, is worried about the bill of Groen, Open-VLD and Défi that wants to ban unsedated slaughter in Brussels. He believes that the ban can only come about in consultation with Muslims and Jews. And he warns that his party has to avoid that the extreme right approves the proposal.**
On Wednesday, Vlaams Belang, N-VA and the majority parties Groen, Open-VLD and Défi each submitted their own ordinance (Brussels law) in parliament to ban unsedated slaughter in the Brussels region.
If the ordinance is approved, the Brussels Region will be in line with Flanders and Wallonia. They have already introduced a similar law. That legislation was recently validated by the Constitutional Court.
The debate on unsedated slaughter is a test for the majority in the Brussels Parliament. The latter is in fact divided on the prohibition of unsedated slaughter.
But Olivier Maingain, who as an ex-president still carries a lot of weight within his party Défi, thinks that his party can only approve that proposal if Muslims and Jews agree. He believes that a solution that reconciles religious freedom and animal welfare must be found.
“It should not become a debate hostile to respectable religious beliefs. unsedated slaughter has nothing to do with religious radicalism,” he told Le Soir.
He believes that Défi should, if necessary, amend its own bill to meet the concerns of Muslims and Jews.
**Cordon sanitaire**
Maingain also fears that the ordinance would receive the approval of identitary parties at the vote. And he wants to avoid that at all costs. “If the ordinance only gets a majority with the support of N-VA and Vlaams Belang, then we have to stop the parliamentary process. Because that would mean that we have broken the cordon sanitaire.”
With these statements, Maingain is taking the same line as the majority parties PS, Ecolo and Vooruit. They believe that a ban cannot be implemented if Muslims and Jews oppose it.
**Position remains what it is**
Current Défi chairman François De Smet does not want to be rushed by Olivier Maingain’s statements. “Those are for his account and do not change anything about our position,” he tells BRUZZ.
About the consultation with the religious communities, De Smet says that this is already foreseen. “There will be hearings in parliament with the representatives of Muslims and Jews, just as the animal rights organisations will also be invited.”
On breaking the cordon sanitaire, De Smet says that this is premature. “Vlaams Belang only has one seat. And every deputy has the freedom to vote for or against an ordinance.”
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I am 100% not a Flemish nationalist but to me this seems like a really really bad look for the government of Brussels. Is the whole point of a cordon sanitair government forming anyway? Since when did it include policy two? I’m from a 2 party country so the concept is still a bit new to me.
Dude’s family would do well to check him for early onset dementia.
>majority with the support of Vlaams Belang would mean that we have broken the cordon sanitaire.
That’s not how the cordon sanitaire worked at all, and all he does is “confirm” to VB voters that it somehow still exists. In reality it just means that the parties generally agree to not form a government coalition with them, but there’s no legal binding nor anything official anymore.
Jesus christ (or Allah/Yahweh or whatever) are we still having this debate?! Fuck every single person who is against unsedated* slaughter. Religious freedom has to stop somewhere, and that somewhere is waaaay before animal cruelty
Edit: *sedated
Oh hey, back to the 90’s.
Several parties had a period where they voted against things they themselves had proposed because it turned out VB also voted in favor.
And then something made them realize how poor a reasoning that is.
If your core reason for doing something is being different from people you don’t like, then you’re not serving the public, at all.
So if VB vote against an obvious racist law then they will vote for it as to not break the cordon sanitaire?
F****ing lunatic.They just don’t care about animals.It’s all about the (religious) votes.
I suggest VB and NVA start being in favour of Belgian unity. Fastest way to reach their goals.
Remarkably coming from a politician that should also be in a cordon sanitaire.
Are we talking about pigs?
Pretty soon seperate booths for dutch speaking at city hall again.
Fucking hypocrites.
People in Belgium are so fucking hypocrites. They act like they care about animal rights but are just closeted islamophobes and anti-semites.
Banning unsedated slaughter does not result into more humane slaughterhouses, if you’ve ever been into a Western slaughterhouse you would turn vegetarian in a second.
Constant screaming of the animals, dead animals lying around the still living ones, you see the fear and desperation in their eyes.
All of these is not allowed in Islam and Judaism, if an animal has been slaughtered while being in stress, or by seeing/hearing the knife or other animals being slaughtered. It’s not halal/kosher anymore.
The animal must be treated with respect.
Hypocrites. You won’t even dare touch your psychotic slaughterhouses, but you’re all up in arms because of sedation? Everything that happens before the slaughter of an animal doesn’t matter, as long as Jews and Muslims are discriminated. Right?
Like yeah, fuck VB and fuck their racist reasoning for being against unsedated slaughter (because it’s actually to dunk on Muslims). *However*, it’s still a good idea regardless and shouldn’t be discarded simply because VB is in favour (for their own cynical reasons).