A few days ago I created a post here complaining how hard was to drive in Ireland specially Dublin even after years driving here (I’m a immigrant), and most of the comments were “you’re just a bad driver, it’s very easy to drive in Ireland”.
Now this study just gave me the reason. Driving in Ireland specially Dublin is not easy at all.
I find Dublin has very weirdly laid out junctions. They’re often extremely awkward and like the council is constantly reinventing the wheel.
It also has loads of streets that you’re never really sure if there’s one lane or two lanes or even three lanes – not marked and lanes form spontaneously.
When you couple it with very pushy drivers that do things like block merges and block lane changes, it’s really uncomfortable driving.
> Dublin also has the second-highest number of direction-based searches in the world.
I don’t understand what a “direction based search” is.
I see this as a positive
Everything is done poorly. Literally everything.
A remarkable feat.
The people in charge are inadequate, whether it’s council or those in charge of infrastructure. We also have a broken traffic light system that isn’t built for manual cars (slow off the lights instant red to green).
I’ve driven in many cities around the globe … Dublin is nowhere near the top 5. This is actually laughable.
I doubt “study” was conducted by anyone with real experience in driving anywhere that was covered.
Well LA is a bunch of straight lines so not surprised. It takes Dublins traffic over LAs soulless suburbs any day
It is but in the same way old cities always are? Learned to drive in the oldest city in Canada and Dublin is bigger and busier but not more awkward. Cities built long before cars not ideal for cars, more at eleven etc
It certainly is a shitshow.
Driving in a city should be hard, it’s supposed to encourage public transport use. Maybe this just points to how poor our public transport is that people would rather sit in awful traffic in the city rather than get the bus/train
I drive in the city occasionally and it’s like a war of attrition with other drivers, the way the city is setup makes drivers behave borderline aggressive and don’t give you any leeway. Especially if you’re in a small car like I have.
Bollocks. I grew up driving around Dublin and thought it was grand then I visited Malta and you couldn’t pay me to drive there. My friends from Tenerife say the same
There doesn’t seem to be a standard format for a junction in Dublin. I can approach one crossroad where the left lane is for straight and left, I can approach a near identical one a few minutes later, and the left lane is for left only. No way of knowing until you’re on top of it.
Not to mention poor/non-existent sign posting.
I don’t see why it’s so hard, I mean, there are plenty of morons doing it /s
Just back from Paris for the 3rd time this year, its nuts to drive there.
Rented a car in Dublin Airport visiting home in Summer. Americans either side of me cheaping out saying, “I can drive a manual”, and saw one of them not being able to move the car in the parking lot. I would guess this is behind some of the results but doubt its a very rigorous study.
What a shit study. Obviously never been to anywhere in the Middle east, India, Africa or South East Asia.
It’s not even in the top 5 most difficult in Europe and certainly not the world.
I’ve driven in Athens, Napoli, Istanbul, Bucharest for example, all of which are much worse.
Forget even comparing to Marrakech Morocco, Ho Chi Minh Vietnam, Rio Brazil or other notoriously difficult and chaotic driving countries. India? Worse driving conditions and drivers ever.
In Dublin it is rare you’ll get honked at, certainly not screamed at and unlike some cities… carjacked. There are a few horses, but no cows, donkeys, and not thousands of bicycles and scooters.
Respectfully LMAO
Driving in Dublin is not meant to be easy – that’s the whole point. Take public transport
Look Dublin has its problems but literally any city in SE Asia and South America is gonna be worse
That’s the point, get public transport and the less private vehicles the better for everyone.
The people who write these articles seriously need to try travelling outside of Western developed countries. Go to India and try driving there. There are no rules; its one big game of chicken played by a billion people and yet Dublin is apparently in the top 5 globally
Good
Weird. I drive in the city but years ago I decided to take the approach “I’m the most important person I know, the party won’t start without me”. I don’t push, I let people out if it makes sense to do so.
I don’t find it stressful at all. I think a lot of it comes down to how people mentally approach the experience. It’s a chore; but that’s about it.
That said, wouldn’t it be great if every car with a booking on a ferry from Dublin port got a free pass for the tunnel? I’m on the ferry a few times a year. Starting from Ballyfermot, and it should be my preferred route instead of blocking up the city centre.
Cars should be banned from so many more areas .
People drive because the busses are so slow . The busses are so slow because of cars ( and they need to remove 50% of the stops , some stops you can literally wave at the bus at the stop before it .
It took 25 mins for the G1 to get me a tiny bit down the Quays , cars clogging everything up
Too many cars
I’ve lived in both cities and absolutely Dublin is considerably harder and more frustrating to drive in.
There are so many poorly designed junctions and traffic light sequences here. And many where you need some ‘local knowledge’ (IE minor rule breaking that has come perfectly acceptable) to get through. I guess some of this is unavoidable given the age of the city but some could absolutely be fixed. In LA you just get into your lane, stay there, exit when needed.
Having said that, you are still far more likely to be killed by a bad driver speeding / distracted / drunk in LA, which is a function of our better education system rather than road infrastructure probably.
Drivers in Dublin are also far more friendly and patient than all of the US. If you swapped 200,000 LA drivers into Dublin there would literally be gun battles at most junctions…
I used to do supermarket/shop deliveries in an artic truck around Dublin centre. Getting around isn’t really a problem, it’s getting parked to unload, absolute pain in the hole, DCC makes absolutely no allowance for shops and businesses being supplied. You’d have 4 or 5 lorries all trying to get in and out of duke st and lemon st and zero traffic management, we’d end up having to organise it amongst ourselves, and there’d be mornings it’d kick off with someone in a car losing the rag because they can’t wait a few minutes so a lorry can get in or out. And, absolutely no sign or anyone from DCC or a gard.
A proper study would be dominated by dozens and dozens of South Asian and Middle Eastern cities in my experience. I’ve not been to a single European or American city that comes close to the all out chaos of pretty much any random Indian urban area.
So don’t drive in Dublin City. Simples
Nonsense. Try Manila or Bangalore if you want a hair raising driving experience. In Afghanistan, there isn’t even a set direction to drive on roads (well it’s not enforced).
What I’ve been noticing one of the reasons is the lights. I don’t know what the story is about how they’re set but it has mostly no ryme or reason. On one of the rare occasions I was on the Navan road with no traffic and on the bus. The lights still slowed us down. We also have too many lights some litterally right after another, where stop signs would suffice.
What we need is to go underground. Tunnels for cars and separate ones for bikes and of course trains.
Another reason for it is all of the footfall converging all at the same time and place.
If one thing goes wrong just one little thing it cascades on everything else.
People who don’t get trains, assume trains are grand and run smoothly. Nope. Same kind of thing one thing goes wrong somewhere, huge cascading affect. It’s the same thing as well that causes the problems, everything converging in one place. We only have one main station every train is trying to go through and not enough lines and platforms for everyone. Problems happen every single day and your journey will for sure be double or triple the time it should actually be.
Nothing has been upgraded in years and there has been no forward thinking so this is what we’re stuck with now.
Edit: ans oh yeah, remember how they said college green will run so much better without cars, that isn’t the case and it’s because all the busses converging there and LUAS is already going through there. Someone needed an ambulance on Grafton Street one morning a few weeks ago and you guessed it, it caused a cascading affect. We sat on the bus for 20 mins. Finally bus driver said the reason we were there and we might want to get off. Let us off in the traffic, no problem there what else could he do. Then 2 minutes after I got off it started moving again, had to flag it down in traffic, but that is an extreme example. It really is a bottle neck and you do sit there for about 10 minutes every day.
Yeah the article isn’t about this exactly but I wanted to rant while in traffic again.
I drove in Manhattan for the first time last week.
Dublin ain’t shit.
Manhattan is an experience I have no wish to repeat.
It’s a medieval city in parts and DCC deliberately made it harder to drive in to try and force people to use public transport.
> Dublin has placed fifth in a ranking of the hardest cities in the world to navigate by car, beating Tokyo and LA.
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> New research revealed the hardest city to navigate from a car is Mexico City, followed by Bangkok, Madrid, and Istanbul.
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> The ranking was formed by analysing data metrics, including congestion levels and direction-based searches.
I mean the simple solution to solving a navigationally-challenged city would be to ban private cars entirely, no?
Fair play to the Greens, they did what they set out to do
Alternative title:
_Random car leasing company releases hastily put together report in order to get free advertising_
Bullshit. I drove in Italy on hols and it was insane there.
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A few days ago I created a post here complaining how hard was to drive in Ireland specially Dublin even after years driving here (I’m a immigrant), and most of the comments were “you’re just a bad driver, it’s very easy to drive in Ireland”.
Now this study just gave me the reason. Driving in Ireland specially Dublin is not easy at all.
I find Dublin has very weirdly laid out junctions. They’re often extremely awkward and like the council is constantly reinventing the wheel.
It also has loads of streets that you’re never really sure if there’s one lane or two lanes or even three lanes – not marked and lanes form spontaneously.
When you couple it with very pushy drivers that do things like block merges and block lane changes, it’s really uncomfortable driving.
> Dublin also has the second-highest number of direction-based searches in the world.
I don’t understand what a “direction based search” is.
I see this as a positive
Everything is done poorly. Literally everything.
A remarkable feat.
The people in charge are inadequate, whether it’s council or those in charge of infrastructure. We also have a broken traffic light system that isn’t built for manual cars (slow off the lights instant red to green).
I’ve driven in many cities around the globe … Dublin is nowhere near the top 5. This is actually laughable.
I doubt “study” was conducted by anyone with real experience in driving anywhere that was covered.
Well LA is a bunch of straight lines so not surprised. It takes Dublins traffic over LAs soulless suburbs any day
It is but in the same way old cities always are? Learned to drive in the oldest city in Canada and Dublin is bigger and busier but not more awkward. Cities built long before cars not ideal for cars, more at eleven etc
It certainly is a shitshow.
Driving in a city should be hard, it’s supposed to encourage public transport use. Maybe this just points to how poor our public transport is that people would rather sit in awful traffic in the city rather than get the bus/train
I drive in the city occasionally and it’s like a war of attrition with other drivers, the way the city is setup makes drivers behave borderline aggressive and don’t give you any leeway. Especially if you’re in a small car like I have.
Bollocks. I grew up driving around Dublin and thought it was grand then I visited Malta and you couldn’t pay me to drive there. My friends from Tenerife say the same
There doesn’t seem to be a standard format for a junction in Dublin. I can approach one crossroad where the left lane is for straight and left, I can approach a near identical one a few minutes later, and the left lane is for left only. No way of knowing until you’re on top of it.
Not to mention poor/non-existent sign posting.
I don’t see why it’s so hard, I mean, there are plenty of morons doing it /s
Just back from Paris for the 3rd time this year, its nuts to drive there.
Rented a car in Dublin Airport visiting home in Summer. Americans either side of me cheaping out saying, “I can drive a manual”, and saw one of them not being able to move the car in the parking lot. I would guess this is behind some of the results but doubt its a very rigorous study.
What a shit study. Obviously never been to anywhere in the Middle east, India, Africa or South East Asia.
It’s not even in the top 5 most difficult in Europe and certainly not the world.
I’ve driven in Athens, Napoli, Istanbul, Bucharest for example, all of which are much worse.
Forget even comparing to Marrakech Morocco, Ho Chi Minh Vietnam, Rio Brazil or other notoriously difficult and chaotic driving countries. India? Worse driving conditions and drivers ever.
In Dublin it is rare you’ll get honked at, certainly not screamed at and unlike some cities… carjacked. There are a few horses, but no cows, donkeys, and not thousands of bicycles and scooters.
Respectfully LMAO
Driving in Dublin is not meant to be easy – that’s the whole point. Take public transport
Look Dublin has its problems but literally any city in SE Asia and South America is gonna be worse
That’s the point, get public transport and the less private vehicles the better for everyone.
The people who write these articles seriously need to try travelling outside of Western developed countries. Go to India and try driving there. There are no rules; its one big game of chicken played by a billion people and yet Dublin is apparently in the top 5 globally
Good
Weird. I drive in the city but years ago I decided to take the approach “I’m the most important person I know, the party won’t start without me”. I don’t push, I let people out if it makes sense to do so.
I don’t find it stressful at all. I think a lot of it comes down to how people mentally approach the experience. It’s a chore; but that’s about it.
That said, wouldn’t it be great if every car with a booking on a ferry from Dublin port got a free pass for the tunnel? I’m on the ferry a few times a year. Starting from Ballyfermot, and it should be my preferred route instead of blocking up the city centre.
Cars should be banned from so many more areas .
People drive because the busses are so slow . The busses are so slow because of cars ( and they need to remove 50% of the stops , some stops you can literally wave at the bus at the stop before it .
It took 25 mins for the G1 to get me a tiny bit down the Quays , cars clogging everything up
Too many cars
I’ve lived in both cities and absolutely Dublin is considerably harder and more frustrating to drive in.
There are so many poorly designed junctions and traffic light sequences here. And many where you need some ‘local knowledge’ (IE minor rule breaking that has come perfectly acceptable) to get through. I guess some of this is unavoidable given the age of the city but some could absolutely be fixed. In LA you just get into your lane, stay there, exit when needed.
Having said that, you are still far more likely to be killed by a bad driver speeding / distracted / drunk in LA, which is a function of our better education system rather than road infrastructure probably.
Drivers in Dublin are also far more friendly and patient than all of the US. If you swapped 200,000 LA drivers into Dublin there would literally be gun battles at most junctions…
I used to do supermarket/shop deliveries in an artic truck around Dublin centre. Getting around isn’t really a problem, it’s getting parked to unload, absolute pain in the hole, DCC makes absolutely no allowance for shops and businesses being supplied. You’d have 4 or 5 lorries all trying to get in and out of duke st and lemon st and zero traffic management, we’d end up having to organise it amongst ourselves, and there’d be mornings it’d kick off with someone in a car losing the rag because they can’t wait a few minutes so a lorry can get in or out. And, absolutely no sign or anyone from DCC or a gard.
A proper study would be dominated by dozens and dozens of South Asian and Middle Eastern cities in my experience. I’ve not been to a single European or American city that comes close to the all out chaos of pretty much any random Indian urban area.
So don’t drive in Dublin City. Simples
Nonsense. Try Manila or Bangalore if you want a hair raising driving experience. In Afghanistan, there isn’t even a set direction to drive on roads (well it’s not enforced).
What I’ve been noticing one of the reasons is the lights. I don’t know what the story is about how they’re set but it has mostly no ryme or reason. On one of the rare occasions I was on the Navan road with no traffic and on the bus. The lights still slowed us down. We also have too many lights some litterally right after another, where stop signs would suffice.
What we need is to go underground. Tunnels for cars and separate ones for bikes and of course trains.
Another reason for it is all of the footfall converging all at the same time and place.
If one thing goes wrong just one little thing it cascades on everything else.
People who don’t get trains, assume trains are grand and run smoothly. Nope. Same kind of thing one thing goes wrong somewhere, huge cascading affect. It’s the same thing as well that causes the problems, everything converging in one place. We only have one main station every train is trying to go through and not enough lines and platforms for everyone. Problems happen every single day and your journey will for sure be double or triple the time it should actually be.
Nothing has been upgraded in years and there has been no forward thinking so this is what we’re stuck with now.
Edit: ans oh yeah, remember how they said college green will run so much better without cars, that isn’t the case and it’s because all the busses converging there and LUAS is already going through there. Someone needed an ambulance on Grafton Street one morning a few weeks ago and you guessed it, it caused a cascading affect. We sat on the bus for 20 mins. Finally bus driver said the reason we were there and we might want to get off. Let us off in the traffic, no problem there what else could he do. Then 2 minutes after I got off it started moving again, had to flag it down in traffic, but that is an extreme example. It really is a bottle neck and you do sit there for about 10 minutes every day.
Yeah the article isn’t about this exactly but I wanted to rant while in traffic again.
I drove in Manhattan for the first time last week.
Dublin ain’t shit.
Manhattan is an experience I have no wish to repeat.
It’s a medieval city in parts and DCC deliberately made it harder to drive in to try and force people to use public transport.
> Dublin has placed fifth in a ranking of the hardest cities in the world to navigate by car, beating Tokyo and LA.
>
> New research revealed the hardest city to navigate from a car is Mexico City, followed by Bangkok, Madrid, and Istanbul.
>
> The ranking was formed by analysing data metrics, including congestion levels and direction-based searches.
I mean the simple solution to solving a navigationally-challenged city would be to ban private cars entirely, no?
Fair play to the Greens, they did what they set out to do
Alternative title:
_Random car leasing company releases hastily put together report in order to get free advertising_
Bullshit. I drove in Italy on hols and it was insane there.
Id expect as much. LA was built for cars
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