Pretty standard for our Western neighbours. I’m not shocked in the slightest.
I’m not surprised. They display many things like this because many of them really think that those lands were ‘stolen’ from them.
And no, Germans would not tell you that in a casual conversation
well, I mean they *did* die and we *did* chase them out of their homes in ’45. the recovered lands weren’t exactly unclaimed before we claimed them
Map doesn’t look appropriate indeed, they could have found a less triggering visualisation. At the same time, the object is not fully visible, maybe not accidentally posted like this. Under it there is another square plaque that says:
“Over 5,000 expelled Germans from the Sudetenland, from Silesia, East Prussia, Pomerania and from the settlement areas in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, as well as refugees from Central Germany, found refuge and a second home in Alsfeld and its districts after the Second World War. They and their descendants have made a great contribution to the cultural and economic development of our city”.
So it looks like it shows where they came from to Alsfeld and celebrates their contribution to local community.
Germans, even on reddit, bemoan a supposed “Polish victim complex” while also crying how they lost land after supporting and waging a genocidal war of conquest.
My thoughts are, that the OOP is a right wing account and this memorial was gifted by the “bund der vertriebenen”. While it was gifted in 2002, nowadays they have absolutely zero weight in modern politics.
You have got to crawl very deep in right wing rabbit holes to find people who dont consider the said territories polish/czech.
Nice of “Patrycja Anna Tepper” to translate only part of the text. Totally innocent, I’m sure /s
How did you got those lands Germany?
Haha losers
I think we are not understanding each other… West Prussia, East Prussia, Silesia, or in my case the Sudetenland… The point was that the expulsion of the Germans from their homes was wrong, not that these regions are Germany. Even if Germans had been able to stay, for example in the Sudetenland, it would have been within the Kingdom of Bohemia/Czechoslovak Republic. Ownership of these lands by the German state was never in question.
Posen and eastern pomeranian only german for 123 Years, what about Polish natives genocided and germanized there after the Pattinson, silesia was also slavic for much longer than german
Germans and Russians split up Poland at the start of world war 2 and they cry even today.
My thoughts are that OP is russian troll trying to create division with our western allies.
You can acknowledge the pain those people went through without neglecting the crimes during the Nazi regime – both are not mutually exclusive.
Right-wing Poles still cry about the east, so? Every country that has lost any land has people like that. You should see Hungarians crying about “their” lands in Romania lmao.
Widać Zabory
memorial of what?
Ah yes historically german city of germans of Posen, it was only founded by polish tribes, and been polish city for most of the millenium, century of german occupation makes it rightful german land. Other way around it’s different story obviously.
One nazi org using self victimization of German settlers/colonizers (who after WW2 got kicked back to quintessentially core german lands) from all over central/western europe, doesn’t represent Germany, nor does it opinions of most of the Germans.
Stop riling up europeans against eachother, our shared enemy is russia and domestic totalitarian sympathizing brainlets from all around europe. Poland included with traitors like Konfederacja and big parts of PIS all representing values similar to localized putinism.
Important fact: This isn’t a memorial for the war or the German occupation of Poland or anything, it’s a memorial for German refugees.
Yes, Germany started this horrible war and deserved literally everything it got back till 45 but it’s also important to understand, that Alsfeld, in the State of Hesse saw a lot of refugees, most of them women and children from the former German parts of now Poland, a lot of people who lived there even long before the war started, these people where a big part of early NS ‘we need this war’ propaganda(you know literally the same as the Russians did in Ukraine since ’22). Alsfeld isn’t too far from where I’m from an I know dozens of people whose relatives, including my relatives came in 44-46 here as refugees trying to escape the Soviet and Polish revenge(the red army isn’t particularly known to be in any way better than the Wehrmacht to the civilians living in occupied areas, especially Germans in late war). These refugees had a huge impact on local culture, development but also local collective history and feeling of unity. For people here, this was the logical and(at least today) well deserved reward for this war and the German crimes and I don’t feel any pity for them but this also formed who we are here today, till the 60s, a lot of these refugees didn’t felt at home here and grieved family members who didn’t survived the escape, who had to be left behind, I assume that Badge is from around that time.
It doesn’t justify this memorial or anything at all but I hope this gives important historical context
Cry me a river.
From what I’ve read Poland ended up losing more land than Germany did…..soooo…
Oh nyooo… The self-proclaimed “colonizers of Eastern Europe” were given the boot… The tragedy! 😭
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gedenktafel_f%C3%BCr_Heimatvertriebene_in_Alsfeld,_Am_Markt_3.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gedenktafel_f%C3%BCr_Heimatvertriebene_in_Alsfeld,_Am_Markt_3.jpg) It is for the people that fled that region during ww2 “An der West-Fassade des Weinhauses erinnert diese Gedenktafel an umfangreiche Vertreibung von Bevölkerungs-Teilen aus früheren deutschen Ostgebieten. Gleichzeitig würdigt sie den erheblichen Anteil der Vertriebenen an der Entwicklung der Stadt.”
Oh my, this is terrible. What were those germans doing in those lands? How did they get there?
Why is there sudetenland but not austria?
Anyone can make any memoria they want. It’s called a free speech.
I got plastered with accusations of being a Russian bot yesterday for posting about Ukraine but these accusers are nowhere to be seen under this post, weird huh
Well, a monument is just a monument in principle,
Well, looks somewhat to similar to what so called “środowiska kresowe” do here in Poland.
My thoughts are that these things (assuming real) will most loudly discussed by people in Poland who vote for the same kind of people that are AfD’s best kinds of friends.
So my thoughts are – I don’t give a shit.
Expelles associations are between germany worst plague, luckly their are literary dieying out.
Imo you see, even this plate is on some old shitty ruin nobody care about any longer, and the same goes for expelles.
Don’t see anything wrong about it. This memorial is supposed to express people’s grief over lost homes and being expelled from their own country. Germany lost part of their territories and people were forced to leave their homes. They are allowed to feel like victims. No matter what their country’s politics was.
Yeah theres like 60 memorials for every other thing here and this memorial isnt glorifying nazis its just telling the story of the injust crime of ethnic cleansing against germans in those lands, ethnic cleansing is stupit and shouldnt happen just like any other warcrime, no matter the Nationality polish german hungarian i dont care.
Hello, let me chime in as a German. I think using the map of the former eastern territories and the Sudetenland right next to the modern German borders is indeed not the best way to represent it.
I do think remembering Germans from the former eastern territories and the Sudetenland is important, as it is a part of history, especially in towns that took in a lot of Germans from the former eastern territories and the Sudetenland. Also talking about the life and culture there.
However holding a grudge against Polish or Czech people for it is obviously wrong and stupid.
People wanting to reclaim old territories are lunatics, and unfortunately they still exist here. But letting these lunatics divide us is the wrong way to go. We don’t need our countries to be best friends, I’d understand every Polish person who doesn’t want that. But we (among others) need to stand together against division, and against the lunatics plaguing our countries.
Poland is a beautiful country with a long history of endurance, and I love my eastern neighbours, for our similarities and for our differences.
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Pretty standard for our Western neighbours. I’m not shocked in the slightest.
I’m not surprised. They display many things like this because many of them really think that those lands were ‘stolen’ from them.
And no, Germans would not tell you that in a casual conversation
well, I mean they *did* die and we *did* chase them out of their homes in ’45. the recovered lands weren’t exactly unclaimed before we claimed them
Map doesn’t look appropriate indeed, they could have found a less triggering visualisation. At the same time, the object is not fully visible, maybe not accidentally posted like this. Under it there is another square plaque that says:
“Over 5,000 expelled Germans from the Sudetenland, from Silesia, East Prussia, Pomerania and from the settlement areas in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, as well as refugees from Central Germany, found refuge and a second home in Alsfeld and its districts after the Second World War. They and their descendants have made a great contribution to the cultural and economic development of our city”.
So it looks like it shows where they came from to Alsfeld and celebrates their contribution to local community.
Germans, even on reddit, bemoan a supposed “Polish victim complex” while also crying how they lost land after supporting and waging a genocidal war of conquest.
My thoughts are, that the OOP is a right wing account and this memorial was gifted by the “bund der vertriebenen”. While it was gifted in 2002, nowadays they have absolutely zero weight in modern politics.
You have got to crawl very deep in right wing rabbit holes to find people who dont consider the said territories polish/czech.
Nice of “Patrycja Anna Tepper” to translate only part of the text. Totally innocent, I’m sure /s
How did you got those lands Germany?
Haha losers
I think we are not understanding each other… West Prussia, East Prussia, Silesia, or in my case the Sudetenland… The point was that the expulsion of the Germans from their homes was wrong, not that these regions are Germany. Even if Germans had been able to stay, for example in the Sudetenland, it would have been within the Kingdom of Bohemia/Czechoslovak Republic. Ownership of these lands by the German state was never in question.
Posen and eastern pomeranian only german for 123 Years, what about Polish natives genocided and germanized there after the Pattinson, silesia was also slavic for much longer than german
Germans and Russians split up Poland at the start of world war 2 and they cry even today.
My thoughts are that OP is russian troll trying to create division with our western allies.
You can acknowledge the pain those people went through without neglecting the crimes during the Nazi regime – both are not mutually exclusive.
Right-wing Poles still cry about the east, so? Every country that has lost any land has people like that. You should see Hungarians crying about “their” lands in Romania lmao.
Widać Zabory
memorial of what?
Ah yes historically german city of germans of Posen, it was only founded by polish tribes, and been polish city for most of the millenium, century of german occupation makes it rightful german land. Other way around it’s different story obviously.
One nazi org using self victimization of German settlers/colonizers (who after WW2 got kicked back to quintessentially core german lands) from all over central/western europe, doesn’t represent Germany, nor does it opinions of most of the Germans.
Stop riling up europeans against eachother, our shared enemy is russia and domestic totalitarian sympathizing brainlets from all around europe. Poland included with traitors like Konfederacja and big parts of PIS all representing values similar to localized putinism.
Important fact: This isn’t a memorial for the war or the German occupation of Poland or anything, it’s a memorial for German refugees.
Yes, Germany started this horrible war and deserved literally everything it got back till 45 but it’s also important to understand, that Alsfeld, in the State of Hesse saw a lot of refugees, most of them women and children from the former German parts of now Poland, a lot of people who lived there even long before the war started, these people where a big part of early NS ‘we need this war’ propaganda(you know literally the same as the Russians did in Ukraine since ’22). Alsfeld isn’t too far from where I’m from an I know dozens of people whose relatives, including my relatives came in 44-46 here as refugees trying to escape the Soviet and Polish revenge(the red army isn’t particularly known to be in any way better than the Wehrmacht to the civilians living in occupied areas, especially Germans in late war). These refugees had a huge impact on local culture, development but also local collective history and feeling of unity. For people here, this was the logical and(at least today) well deserved reward for this war and the German crimes and I don’t feel any pity for them but this also formed who we are here today, till the 60s, a lot of these refugees didn’t felt at home here and grieved family members who didn’t survived the escape, who had to be left behind, I assume that Badge is from around that time.
It doesn’t justify this memorial or anything at all but I hope this gives important historical context
Cry me a river.
From what I’ve read Poland ended up losing more land than Germany did…..soooo…
Oh nyooo… The self-proclaimed “colonizers of Eastern Europe” were given the boot… The tragedy! 😭
[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gedenktafel_f%C3%BCr_Heimatvertriebene_in_Alsfeld,_Am_Markt_3.jpg](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Gedenktafel_f%C3%BCr_Heimatvertriebene_in_Alsfeld,_Am_Markt_3.jpg) It is for the people that fled that region during ww2 “An der West-Fassade des Weinhauses erinnert diese Gedenktafel an umfangreiche Vertreibung von Bevölkerungs-Teilen aus früheren deutschen Ostgebieten. Gleichzeitig würdigt sie den erheblichen Anteil der Vertriebenen an der Entwicklung der Stadt.”
Oh my, this is terrible. What were those germans doing in those lands? How did they get there?
Why is there sudetenland but not austria?
Anyone can make any memoria they want. It’s called a free speech.
I got plastered with accusations of being a Russian bot yesterday for posting about Ukraine but these accusers are nowhere to be seen under this post, weird huh
Well, a monument is just a monument in principle,
Well, looks somewhat to similar to what so called “środowiska kresowe” do here in Poland.
My thoughts are that these things (assuming real) will most loudly discussed by people in Poland who vote for the same kind of people that are AfD’s best kinds of friends.
So my thoughts are – I don’t give a shit.
Expelles associations are between germany worst plague, luckly their are literary dieying out.
Imo you see, even this plate is on some old shitty ruin nobody care about any longer, and the same goes for expelles.
Don’t see anything wrong about it. This memorial is supposed to express people’s grief over lost homes and being expelled from their own country. Germany lost part of their territories and people were forced to leave their homes. They are allowed to feel like victims. No matter what their country’s politics was.
Yeah theres like 60 memorials for every other thing here and this memorial isnt glorifying nazis its just telling the story of the injust crime of ethnic cleansing against germans in those lands, ethnic cleansing is stupit and shouldnt happen just like any other warcrime, no matter the Nationality polish german hungarian i dont care.
Hello, let me chime in as a German. I think using the map of the former eastern territories and the Sudetenland right next to the modern German borders is indeed not the best way to represent it.
I do think remembering Germans from the former eastern territories and the Sudetenland is important, as it is a part of history, especially in towns that took in a lot of Germans from the former eastern territories and the Sudetenland. Also talking about the life and culture there.
However holding a grudge against Polish or Czech people for it is obviously wrong and stupid.
People wanting to reclaim old territories are lunatics, and unfortunately they still exist here. But letting these lunatics divide us is the wrong way to go. We don’t need our countries to be best friends, I’d understand every Polish person who doesn’t want that. But we (among others) need to stand together against division, and against the lunatics plaguing our countries.
Poland is a beautiful country with a long history of endurance, and I love my eastern neighbours, for our similarities and for our differences.
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