You’d think that we’d just get on with the business of policy change in regards to the drug problem rather than just more faffing around with Citizens Assemblies.
The amount of political cowardice amongst the establishment parties of this country is absolutely sickening.
When it comes to cannabis, decrim is not enough. It needs to be fucking legalized.
How does the govt not see this as the direct consequence of prohibition?
They’ve literally handed over full control of a consumer product worth billions of euro per year to criminal enterprise. And this is a shining example of how they go about getting new customers. It’s horrific and the effect it has on generations of Irish society is devastating.
Govt need to grow a spine and do their job and properly regulate this industry. Not doing so is causing as much harm as the scumbags out there dealing class As to children.
It’s been like this for 20 years. I had drug dealers in my class in school. I find it more difficult to get cannabis now at 32 years old than when I was14 years old.
I fucking love drugs.
Yea my class had a weed dealer and I didn’t exactly go to a shit school tbh, so yea this dose not surprise me at all.
Same old story, everyone knows drugs sell themselves. Legalization does not imply that it would be a free for all and there would be no restrictions. It would be like cigarettes or drink.
Legalization would make a huge impact on the concerns and problems people have, decriminalization not so much. Not at all.
> In the first instance of being found in possession, gardaí will refer the person to health services. In the second instance, gardaí will have discretion to issue an adult caution. Third and further offences will be treated within the criminal justice system, as is the case currently.
This is keeping the war on drugs alive while pretending they’re not. Giving Garda discretion sounds decent but that’s how police oppress the working class in China, for example street vending is everywhere but its technically illegal but the police don’t arrest them all, just shake them down whenever they want or fuck the people they don’t like. Why not make everything illegal and allow Garda to have discretion? Just give the Garda the powers to stop and search everyone anywhere at anytime for anything, put the onus of proof of innocence on the citizen, they can always hire lawyers. What could go wrong with allowing a Garda or the Gardaí as a whole to act as judges?
The Gardaí when they stop a driver, they can choose to give a warning, they already have discretion over what they do, but to codify that in law is begging for a system of bribery where you would slip a Garda a €50 instead of receiving a fine.
What stops this happening now is our collective understanding that the Garda is a cog in the system rather than the decider of your fate. Do we want arrests to be formal or do we want people begging Gardaí to forgive them? That is part and parcel or discretion.
This nice discretion allows for them to exert force on and extort otherwise innocent people, solving absolutely nothing, exacerbating other problems. It leads to corruption so abruptly its simply not acceptable.
It would be unlikely to even stop the Garda blowing their budget and resources on this nonsense:
It would not stop them from using the tests that look for traces rather than intoxication or recent use.
Its also putting more burden on public healthcare workers, showing again how are little the government gives a shit about essential workers. Getting doctors involved and partaking in the war on drugs is actually disgusting, its important that people are free to tell doctors about drug use.
Who does this corrupt form of decriminalization even suit? Wealthy people and politicians with influence?
You can be sure landlords would be able to evict people for it.
tldr: We need legalization with restrictions, not decriminalization, which would cement and empower the war on drugs for decades.
Legalize all drugs, educate the population, make bank, free up prisons so proper scumbags can be segregated from society instead of people who smoke.
Maybe not that the Dalkey dittums are hooked on coke, we might see a seachange in Irish drugs policy, if something affects the affluent, things change quickly
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You’d think that we’d just get on with the business of policy change in regards to the drug problem rather than just more faffing around with Citizens Assemblies.
The amount of political cowardice amongst the establishment parties of this country is absolutely sickening.
When it comes to cannabis, decrim is not enough. It needs to be fucking legalized.
How does the govt not see this as the direct consequence of prohibition?
They’ve literally handed over full control of a consumer product worth billions of euro per year to criminal enterprise. And this is a shining example of how they go about getting new customers. It’s horrific and the effect it has on generations of Irish society is devastating.
Govt need to grow a spine and do their job and properly regulate this industry. Not doing so is causing as much harm as the scumbags out there dealing class As to children.
It’s been like this for 20 years. I had drug dealers in my class in school. I find it more difficult to get cannabis now at 32 years old than when I was14 years old.
I fucking love drugs.
Yea my class had a weed dealer and I didn’t exactly go to a shit school tbh, so yea this dose not surprise me at all.
Same old story, everyone knows drugs sell themselves. Legalization does not imply that it would be a free for all and there would be no restrictions. It would be like cigarettes or drink.
Legalization would make a huge impact on the concerns and problems people have, decriminalization not so much. Not at all.
> In the first instance of being found in possession, gardaí will refer the person to health services. In the second instance, gardaí will have discretion to issue an adult caution. Third and further offences will be treated within the criminal justice system, as is the case currently.
This is keeping the war on drugs alive while pretending they’re not. Giving Garda discretion sounds decent but that’s how police oppress the working class in China, for example street vending is everywhere but its technically illegal but the police don’t arrest them all, just shake them down whenever they want or fuck the people they don’t like. Why not make everything illegal and allow Garda to have discretion? Just give the Garda the powers to stop and search everyone anywhere at anytime for anything, put the onus of proof of innocence on the citizen, they can always hire lawyers. What could go wrong with allowing a Garda or the Gardaí as a whole to act as judges?
The Gardaí when they stop a driver, they can choose to give a warning, they already have discretion over what they do, but to codify that in law is begging for a system of bribery where you would slip a Garda a €50 instead of receiving a fine.
What stops this happening now is our collective understanding that the Garda is a cog in the system rather than the decider of your fate. Do we want arrests to be formal or do we want people begging Gardaí to forgive them? That is part and parcel or discretion.
This nice discretion allows for them to exert force on and extort otherwise innocent people, solving absolutely nothing, exacerbating other problems. It leads to corruption so abruptly its simply not acceptable.
It would be unlikely to even stop the Garda blowing their budget and resources on this nonsense:
https://www.leinsterexpress.ie/news/local-news/803618/grew-cannabis-to-smoke-at-cheaper-level.html
It would not stop them from using the tests that look for traces rather than intoxication or recent use.
Its also putting more burden on public healthcare workers, showing again how are little the government gives a shit about essential workers. Getting doctors involved and partaking in the war on drugs is actually disgusting, its important that people are free to tell doctors about drug use.
Who does this corrupt form of decriminalization even suit? Wealthy people and politicians with influence?
You can be sure landlords would be able to evict people for it.
tldr: We need legalization with restrictions, not decriminalization, which would cement and empower the war on drugs for decades.
Legalize all drugs, educate the population, make bank, free up prisons so proper scumbags can be segregated from society instead of people who smoke.
Maybe not that the Dalkey dittums are hooked on coke, we might see a seachange in Irish drugs policy, if something affects the affluent, things change quickly