Not shocking. The vape industry grew faster than the regulations around it. It’s basically Big Tobacco 2.0 hiding behind fruit flavors.
says who?
** I will see myself out **
We all take it for granted but it’s an interesting case study in risk mitigation.
Vaping is a less harmful alternative to tobacco. Between gum, patches, and general social outlook smoking has been reduced a LOT, and it’s seen as gross.
Introduce vaping and a lot of people who had trouble quitting managed to use it to cut back or shift to a different, less harmful, method of use.
But vapes don’t have the stigma of tobacco, so more people are using them – kids included.
I had such a hard time quitting the vape. If I tried to quit, I’d end up smoking cigarettes again. I ended up using zyns despite not liking the idea so much. After I got away from the “hand to mouth” addiction, I was able to drop nicotine in general pretty easy. I also have a 4 year old that helped with her unintentional shaming. Stay away from the vape guys. It might be better than cigarettes but in no way can it actually be good for you. My lungs feel better after quitting and I vaped for over a decade. If my lungs feel better, I can only assume that was because of the negative impact of vaping on them.
While that’s concerning and should be looked at, thank GOD those are not all tobacco smokers.
Well when you can easily start and get away with it at 12 I’m sure that’s gonna happen lol
Stopped vaping 2 weeks ago
A week later i started smoking again….
God damn nicotine
I think it is kind of scary. There is such little research in the 10 years or so there will be more information about health affects of vaping.
I am a marijauna user. But, I don’t smoke. I don’t know if that is any better. We will find out.
It’s almost as if the world is a miserable place right now, and people are scrambling to cope with it. We’re all so lucky big Tobacco and big alcohol are here for us through these troubled times… /s
if those people would be otherwise smoking, then it’s a net positive.
shocker. government try to order ppl how to live their lives and get the finger with other solutions and workarounds. who would have seen that one coming. just like prohibition times.
Thank God I’m a smoker. Dodged a bullet there.
The vape industry was amazing. Then they decided they needed to regulate and tax the shit out of it. Now its all Chinese disposable garbage. High nic levels, made in unclean unsafe locations, just throwing away rare earth.
Would they rather those people smoked tobacco again?
It is the best alternative to that smell and stigma of burning dead leaves rolled up in paper (along with the added chemicals like insecticides, ammonia, formaldehyde, etc.)… I vape and certainly have had no complaints on smell, I dont wake up coughing up shit out of my lungs like cigs caused. For me it has been a much “cleaner” experience, I completely dropped all smoking of cigarettes years ago, but I do still vape.
still worried about the logic that “flavors” are targeting children. humans having taste buds at all ages doesn’t mean that a product being enjoyable disqualifies it from the market. that’s a ridiculous way to enforce anything, and i don’t follow the logic that says we have to punish adults as well and enforce that products can’t be too good or too enjoyable. there’s a stupid management practice i call the “baby on an airplane” approach. if a parent and their baby boards a long flight with the rest of the passengers, the flight attendant doesn’t go around and inform everyone that there will be no in flight meal today, because the baby can’t chew yet. this is how most offices are managed, however.
Im vaping rn
Well yeah, a pack of smokes is $20+ where I live. For the same price you can get a nicotine vape that lasts 5x as long.
I was a smoker for 10 years. Started at 15 (I regret this every single day, I wish I had never started), and vaping got me off smoking. I am now 30.
Now I hit my vape like a chimney, way more than I ever smoked, but I have no cough, no more brown phlegm every day, I don’t get bronchitis 2 times a month, I don’t smell like shit routinely, and I am down to the lowest nicotine level possible prior to being at 0.
Are there health risks? I am sure there are. Has this stopped me from smoking cigarettes? Yes.
I smoked for 18 years and vaping was the only method that truly helped break the addiction. I have been cigarette and vape free for 8 years.
With that said vapes are marketed not as quit smoking aids but as the “healthy, fun and more convenient alternative” to cigarettes. Big tobacco got me hooked with cigarettes and they are now getting people hooked with vape. More regulation needs to be around this issue.
I quit vaping in September of 2021 and haven’t had a puff since.
If you are looking to quit, my best advice is to limit your purchases, not your use. The moment just before you decide to buy another vape is your opportunity to quit, amd you only have a few seconds. This is much easier to do than quitting with the nicotine immediately available because the part of your brain that craves the drug needs to also understand the exchange of currency for goods and services, which is somewhat more abstract. Godspeed.
Edit: I’ll also add that, after a few days, I began to intentionally change my relationship with the cravings. Instead of letting the craving consume all of my thoughts and wishing for it to go away, I began to reassociate the craving with a positive reminder of my progress. When I finished a big meal and wanted nothing more than a vape, I would remind myself that *I’ll only ever feel a craving so strong if I am abstaining.* They became reminders of my progress, and eventually began to reinforce my cessation. I also began verbally berating the vape store when I drove by on my way to work.
All of my friends who used to give me shit about smoking now vape like fucking chimneys. I quit smoking and by the end of it knew enough to not want to touch these. Cannabis vapes on the other hand…
Am I the only one that doesn’t hate on vapes too much? When you compare it to cigarette smoke, propolyene glycol & nicotine vapor is nowhere near as bad. Sure it’s not GOOD for you, but it’s not as bad as when just about everyone used to smoke cigarettes. Plus is doesn’t make everything smell and hurt people around you
Singapore just banned all types of vaping with strict punishment but cigarettes are still legal. What a joke
That’s shocking? Vaping? 😆
Let’s see. According to the numbers in the article – which the WHO admits are estimates – 100 million people are now vaping. Meanwhile 138 million people have stopped smoking.
I wonder if there’s a connection?
I’m one of those people. I smoked for 30 years. Now I vape and haven’t had a cigarette in 11 years. I feel much better, no longer smell of cigarettes, and my smoker’s cough disappeared a week after I started vaping.
And the article is completely wrong about blaming the ‘tobacco industry’. They only started getting involved when vaping became popular. They bought up a bunch of companies that make small vapes and are busy trying to get everything else banned.
Over the last 10 years, rates of lung cancer have decreased by 23% for men and 11% for women. *Over* the last 5 years, rates have decreased by 14% for men and 8% for women. These are stats from the American lung association, I’m not sure about the UK. The most important thing is reducing smoking. These positive numbers exist because people are smoking less and vaping more. So despite the rates of vaping increasing, the trend year to year is still going down.
But I find all this heming and hawing weird because isn’t this exactly the point of vapes, to reduce bad health outcomes?
So why is there so much alarm about it over the last few years? Ok well people still consume nicotine and will continue to do so, isn’t having a safer product take over the market a net positive?
Its not that vaping is “safe”, its still bad for you and addicting. I haven’t smoked or vaped for over 10 years. However, also second hand vape fumes do not contain as much nicotine as smoke and dont have the tar and same carcinogen profile as smoke. [https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/jul/second-hand-vaping-exposure-very-low-compared-second-hand-smoking](https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/jul/second-hand-vaping-exposure-very-low-compared-second-hand-smoking)
The actual science is what it is. In my opinion, there needs to be more regulations about how these devices are constructed and what the air-path can be. A lot of the health risks especially talking about acute damage like popcorn lung etc can be mitigated by more standardized and safe vape construction. But in my opinion a future where people vape instead of smoke would be a net positive if its done correctly. The best outcome is that people do neither or do it very infrequently but human nature is what it is.
I don’t know, you tell me who said it!
The headline should say ‘Record numbers of people quitting deadly smoking as they take up a much safer alternative’
Man shut up there’s an alarming number of pedophiles in office.
As a non-smoker, I definitely prefer people vaping than smoking
Kids have been targeted for decades for smoking, vapes are just the new thing, but vapes can and do help with quitting smoking, it did me. Banning vapes is the same as banning alcohol, it’s pointless and won’t work. Just stop selling tobacco for fucks sake…
Society is stressful. Stop putting so many demands on people and they’ll stop looking for coping mechanisms like smoking.
It’s nuts how many people I met in undergrad who vaped or had a general nicotine addiction. I would probably say 1/3 people at UCLA either vaped regularly or popped Zyns like candy.
I’m here for a good time, not a long time.
I smoked cigarettes for 18 years. Would get tonsillitis around 5 times a year, bronchitis a couple times a year, and smelled terrible. I switched to vaping 11 years ago… I haven’t gotten tonsillitis or bronchitis even once since switching.
Big tobacco is just pissed that vaping stole their customers.
I’m vaping while reading this lol
Sometimes it feels like 80% of Gen Z’s do, especially women.
I don’t care if you smoke cigarettes, cannabis or vape, I just want you to stay the fuck away from me with that shit, so I don’t have to smell your cancerous fumes ever. Fuck people who bother others with that.
Says me
I quit smoking cigs five years ago. I used vapes to quit. I then quit vaping two years ago. I’ll tell ya, quitting vaping was so much harder than the cigs. I think it’s mostly the ease of access. I could vape inside the home, in cars, and at the work desk
I’m 27 now and I think I just barely missed the big wave of vaping that hit highschools in 2016ish. I have friends with younger siblings and a huge chunk of kids 13-18 are now actively vaping every day. It’s a downright epidemic
I was shocked when a gravy seal on my flight from MKE to BNA the other day and he set the alarm off. It’s loud and makes the lights blink, and he didn’t get to get off with the rest of us normal nice non-vaping passengers. Hope he made it to his ICE party okay.
Says ME
Vapes are so lame looking, I can’t help but laugh at kids using those contraptions.
We used to smoke real cigs and die like men, not play around with this lame crap and act “addicted”.
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Not shocking. The vape industry grew faster than the regulations around it. It’s basically Big Tobacco 2.0 hiding behind fruit flavors.
says who?
** I will see myself out **
We all take it for granted but it’s an interesting case study in risk mitigation.
Vaping is a less harmful alternative to tobacco. Between gum, patches, and general social outlook smoking has been reduced a LOT, and it’s seen as gross.
Introduce vaping and a lot of people who had trouble quitting managed to use it to cut back or shift to a different, less harmful, method of use.
But vapes don’t have the stigma of tobacco, so more people are using them – kids included.
I had such a hard time quitting the vape. If I tried to quit, I’d end up smoking cigarettes again. I ended up using zyns despite not liking the idea so much. After I got away from the “hand to mouth” addiction, I was able to drop nicotine in general pretty easy. I also have a 4 year old that helped with her unintentional shaming. Stay away from the vape guys. It might be better than cigarettes but in no way can it actually be good for you. My lungs feel better after quitting and I vaped for over a decade. If my lungs feel better, I can only assume that was because of the negative impact of vaping on them.
While that’s concerning and should be looked at, thank GOD those are not all tobacco smokers.
Well when you can easily start and get away with it at 12 I’m sure that’s gonna happen lol
Stopped vaping 2 weeks ago
A week later i started smoking again….
God damn nicotine
I think it is kind of scary. There is such little research in the 10 years or so there will be more information about health affects of vaping.
I am a marijauna user. But, I don’t smoke. I don’t know if that is any better. We will find out.
It’s almost as if the world is a miserable place right now, and people are scrambling to cope with it. We’re all so lucky big Tobacco and big alcohol are here for us through these troubled times… /s
if those people would be otherwise smoking, then it’s a net positive.
shocker. government try to order ppl how to live their lives and get the finger with other solutions and workarounds. who would have seen that one coming. just like prohibition times.
Thank God I’m a smoker. Dodged a bullet there.
The vape industry was amazing. Then they decided they needed to regulate and tax the shit out of it. Now its all Chinese disposable garbage. High nic levels, made in unclean unsafe locations, just throwing away rare earth.
Would they rather those people smoked tobacco again?
It is the best alternative to that smell and stigma of burning dead leaves rolled up in paper (along with the added chemicals like insecticides, ammonia, formaldehyde, etc.)… I vape and certainly have had no complaints on smell, I dont wake up coughing up shit out of my lungs like cigs caused. For me it has been a much “cleaner” experience, I completely dropped all smoking of cigarettes years ago, but I do still vape.
still worried about the logic that “flavors” are targeting children. humans having taste buds at all ages doesn’t mean that a product being enjoyable disqualifies it from the market. that’s a ridiculous way to enforce anything, and i don’t follow the logic that says we have to punish adults as well and enforce that products can’t be too good or too enjoyable. there’s a stupid management practice i call the “baby on an airplane” approach. if a parent and their baby boards a long flight with the rest of the passengers, the flight attendant doesn’t go around and inform everyone that there will be no in flight meal today, because the baby can’t chew yet. this is how most offices are managed, however.
Im vaping rn
Well yeah, a pack of smokes is $20+ where I live. For the same price you can get a nicotine vape that lasts 5x as long.
I was a smoker for 10 years. Started at 15 (I regret this every single day, I wish I had never started), and vaping got me off smoking. I am now 30.
Now I hit my vape like a chimney, way more than I ever smoked, but I have no cough, no more brown phlegm every day, I don’t get bronchitis 2 times a month, I don’t smell like shit routinely, and I am down to the lowest nicotine level possible prior to being at 0.
Are there health risks? I am sure there are. Has this stopped me from smoking cigarettes? Yes.
I smoked for 18 years and vaping was the only method that truly helped break the addiction. I have been cigarette and vape free for 8 years.
With that said vapes are marketed not as quit smoking aids but as the “healthy, fun and more convenient alternative” to cigarettes. Big tobacco got me hooked with cigarettes and they are now getting people hooked with vape. More regulation needs to be around this issue.
I quit vaping in September of 2021 and haven’t had a puff since.
If you are looking to quit, my best advice is to limit your purchases, not your use. The moment just before you decide to buy another vape is your opportunity to quit, amd you only have a few seconds. This is much easier to do than quitting with the nicotine immediately available because the part of your brain that craves the drug needs to also understand the exchange of currency for goods and services, which is somewhat more abstract. Godspeed.
Edit: I’ll also add that, after a few days, I began to intentionally change my relationship with the cravings. Instead of letting the craving consume all of my thoughts and wishing for it to go away, I began to reassociate the craving with a positive reminder of my progress. When I finished a big meal and wanted nothing more than a vape, I would remind myself that *I’ll only ever feel a craving so strong if I am abstaining.* They became reminders of my progress, and eventually began to reinforce my cessation. I also began verbally berating the vape store when I drove by on my way to work.
All of my friends who used to give me shit about smoking now vape like fucking chimneys. I quit smoking and by the end of it knew enough to not want to touch these. Cannabis vapes on the other hand…
Am I the only one that doesn’t hate on vapes too much? When you compare it to cigarette smoke, propolyene glycol & nicotine vapor is nowhere near as bad. Sure it’s not GOOD for you, but it’s not as bad as when just about everyone used to smoke cigarettes. Plus is doesn’t make everything smell and hurt people around you
Singapore just banned all types of vaping with strict punishment but cigarettes are still legal. What a joke
That’s shocking? Vaping? 😆
Let’s see. According to the numbers in the article – which the WHO admits are estimates – 100 million people are now vaping. Meanwhile 138 million people have stopped smoking.
I wonder if there’s a connection?
I’m one of those people. I smoked for 30 years. Now I vape and haven’t had a cigarette in 11 years. I feel much better, no longer smell of cigarettes, and my smoker’s cough disappeared a week after I started vaping.
And the article is completely wrong about blaming the ‘tobacco industry’. They only started getting involved when vaping became popular. They bought up a bunch of companies that make small vapes and are busy trying to get everything else banned.
Over the last 10 years, rates of lung cancer have decreased by 23% for men and 11% for women. *Over* the last 5 years, rates have decreased by 14% for men and 8% for women. These are stats from the American lung association, I’m not sure about the UK. The most important thing is reducing smoking. These positive numbers exist because people are smoking less and vaping more. So despite the rates of vaping increasing, the trend year to year is still going down.
But I find all this heming and hawing weird because isn’t this exactly the point of vapes, to reduce bad health outcomes?
So why is there so much alarm about it over the last few years? Ok well people still consume nicotine and will continue to do so, isn’t having a safer product take over the market a net positive?
Its not that vaping is “safe”, its still bad for you and addicting. I haven’t smoked or vaped for over 10 years. However, also second hand vape fumes do not contain as much nicotine as smoke and dont have the tar and same carcinogen profile as smoke. [https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/jul/second-hand-vaping-exposure-very-low-compared-second-hand-smoking](https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2024/jul/second-hand-vaping-exposure-very-low-compared-second-hand-smoking)
The actual science is what it is. In my opinion, there needs to be more regulations about how these devices are constructed and what the air-path can be. A lot of the health risks especially talking about acute damage like popcorn lung etc can be mitigated by more standardized and safe vape construction. But in my opinion a future where people vape instead of smoke would be a net positive if its done correctly. The best outcome is that people do neither or do it very infrequently but human nature is what it is.
I don’t know, you tell me who said it!
The headline should say ‘Record numbers of people quitting deadly smoking as they take up a much safer alternative’
Man shut up there’s an alarming number of pedophiles in office.
As a non-smoker, I definitely prefer people vaping than smoking
Kids have been targeted for decades for smoking, vapes are just the new thing, but vapes can and do help with quitting smoking, it did me. Banning vapes is the same as banning alcohol, it’s pointless and won’t work. Just stop selling tobacco for fucks sake…
Society is stressful. Stop putting so many demands on people and they’ll stop looking for coping mechanisms like smoking.
It’s nuts how many people I met in undergrad who vaped or had a general nicotine addiction. I would probably say 1/3 people at UCLA either vaped regularly or popped Zyns like candy.
I’m here for a good time, not a long time.
I smoked cigarettes for 18 years. Would get tonsillitis around 5 times a year, bronchitis a couple times a year, and smelled terrible. I switched to vaping 11 years ago… I haven’t gotten tonsillitis or bronchitis even once since switching.
Big tobacco is just pissed that vaping stole their customers.
I’m vaping while reading this lol
Sometimes it feels like 80% of Gen Z’s do, especially women.
I don’t care if you smoke cigarettes, cannabis or vape, I just want you to stay the fuck away from me with that shit, so I don’t have to smell your cancerous fumes ever. Fuck people who bother others with that.
Says me
I quit smoking cigs five years ago. I used vapes to quit. I then quit vaping two years ago. I’ll tell ya, quitting vaping was so much harder than the cigs. I think it’s mostly the ease of access. I could vape inside the home, in cars, and at the work desk
I’m 27 now and I think I just barely missed the big wave of vaping that hit highschools in 2016ish. I have friends with younger siblings and a huge chunk of kids 13-18 are now actively vaping every day. It’s a downright epidemic
I was shocked when a gravy seal on my flight from MKE to BNA the other day and he set the alarm off. It’s loud and makes the lights blink, and he didn’t get to get off with the rest of us normal nice non-vaping passengers. Hope he made it to his ICE party okay.
Says ME
Vapes are so lame looking, I can’t help but laugh at kids using those contraptions.
We used to smoke real cigs and die like men, not play around with this lame crap and act “addicted”.
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