In the Netherlands, companies are forced to pay sick employees wages for a far longer time. This incentivizes them a hell of a lot more to invest in safety and prevention.
Conversely, make unemployment benefits higher but limited in time.
That way you tackle both the cause and diminish the likelihood of abuse.
While it’s definitely worthwhile to investigate, this article seems to primarily focus on the angle that there’s too many people incapacitated to work without actually investigating if it’s justified that so many are incapacitated.
The article mentions ‘depression’ as one of the main reason. But from what I can find, Belgium has a slightly lower rate of chronic depression compared to all neighbouring countries ([https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20210910-1](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20210910-1)). So that raises the question that maybe Belgium isn’t making it too easy to join the ranks of the incapacitated and rather other countries are making it too difficult.
Definitely can’t fix it by just forcing them to go back to work earlier and then have them even more depressed/burned out or have people’s back fail completely and be disabled for life. One solution I’m also not seeing offered is actually giving them the support they need to recover (e.g. extra funding for mental health care, solutions for people suffering from back problems)
Maybe the system is too easy on them, maybe there’s abuse; but not finding all the answers here (the article only mentions ‘some HR people say there’s abuse’ as evidence with is very anecdotal to say the least). Would be interesting if the actual causes are further investigated.
This isn’t an article, or even correct information. It’s pure propaganda Made In is a publication by employers organizations, that has a very obvious motivation to want people to work till they drop.
Plenty of people are unfit for work, because of the work they did. Burnouts are work-related, back problems are very often back related (hard work, bad ergonomics in the office). Depressions have many causes, but can also be work-related. But that doesn’t fit their narrative of course. People being sick is a “win for life”, is just a disgusting remark.
Employers are quite happy to dump people they’ve squeezed dry. Having the government pick up the bill was fine by them. But now there is a lack of employees, suddenly that’s no longer okay and the government should force sick people to work? Instead of having the government foot the bill for problems employers created, I propose that employers be responsible for all forms of illness caused by a job.
I sincerely hope the assholes behind this garbage suffer a burnout, chronic pains or depression; and then we’ll have a chat about how such conditions are a win for life exactly. I wonder if they also go around getting upset at handicapped parking spots “being handicapped is life in easy mode, they always get parking close to the entrance!”.
In my last job I’ve seen colleague after colleague bein harassed and pushed to leave. Most of them would break under the pressure and become sick. The company was encouraging it. Then after about 6 to 12 months they would be fired.
Unless such practices are discontinued, I don’t see what HR people can do, or should be allowed to do. After all they were complicit with my former company.
Some of these people are really broken. Legally very few of them sued. None won. And nobody really helps them going through their shit.
>De eerste afspraak die ondernemers, CEO’s en kaderleden iedere ochtend hebben om te kunnen meepraten over het meest recente, economisch nieuws uit hun regio? Dat is die met Made in.
What a shitty source for this type of subject. Just look at this quote:
>”Het misbruik moet eruit. Iemand **zomaar** levenslang ziek verklaren is eenWin For Life uitkeren. Artsen hebben hun verantwoordelijkheid te nemen.”
Get your whore-source out of here
Ik ben al heel mijn leven ongeschikt voor arbeid, maar helaas
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In the Netherlands, companies are forced to pay sick employees wages for a far longer time. This incentivizes them a hell of a lot more to invest in safety and prevention.
Conversely, make unemployment benefits higher but limited in time.
That way you tackle both the cause and diminish the likelihood of abuse.
While it’s definitely worthwhile to investigate, this article seems to primarily focus on the angle that there’s too many people incapacitated to work without actually investigating if it’s justified that so many are incapacitated.
The article mentions ‘depression’ as one of the main reason. But from what I can find, Belgium has a slightly lower rate of chronic depression compared to all neighbouring countries ([https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20210910-1](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/edn-20210910-1)). So that raises the question that maybe Belgium isn’t making it too easy to join the ranks of the incapacitated and rather other countries are making it too difficult.
Definitely can’t fix it by just forcing them to go back to work earlier and then have them even more depressed/burned out or have people’s back fail completely and be disabled for life. One solution I’m also not seeing offered is actually giving them the support they need to recover (e.g. extra funding for mental health care, solutions for people suffering from back problems)
Maybe the system is too easy on them, maybe there’s abuse; but not finding all the answers here (the article only mentions ‘some HR people say there’s abuse’ as evidence with is very anecdotal to say the least). Would be interesting if the actual causes are further investigated.
This isn’t an article, or even correct information. It’s pure propaganda Made In is a publication by employers organizations, that has a very obvious motivation to want people to work till they drop.
Plenty of people are unfit for work, because of the work they did. Burnouts are work-related, back problems are very often back related (hard work, bad ergonomics in the office). Depressions have many causes, but can also be work-related. But that doesn’t fit their narrative of course. People being sick is a “win for life”, is just a disgusting remark.
Employers are quite happy to dump people they’ve squeezed dry. Having the government pick up the bill was fine by them. But now there is a lack of employees, suddenly that’s no longer okay and the government should force sick people to work? Instead of having the government foot the bill for problems employers created, I propose that employers be responsible for all forms of illness caused by a job.
I sincerely hope the assholes behind this garbage suffer a burnout, chronic pains or depression; and then we’ll have a chat about how such conditions are a win for life exactly. I wonder if they also go around getting upset at handicapped parking spots “being handicapped is life in easy mode, they always get parking close to the entrance!”.
In my last job I’ve seen colleague after colleague bein harassed and pushed to leave. Most of them would break under the pressure and become sick. The company was encouraging it. Then after about 6 to 12 months they would be fired.
Unless such practices are discontinued, I don’t see what HR people can do, or should be allowed to do. After all they were complicit with my former company.
Some of these people are really broken. Legally very few of them sued. None won. And nobody really helps them going through their shit.
>De eerste afspraak die ondernemers, CEO’s en kaderleden iedere ochtend hebben om te kunnen meepraten over het meest recente, economisch nieuws uit hun regio? Dat is die met Made in.
What a shitty source for this type of subject. Just look at this quote:
>”Het misbruik moet eruit. Iemand **zomaar** levenslang ziek verklaren is eenWin For Life uitkeren. Artsen hebben hun verantwoordelijkheid te nemen.”
Get your whore-source out of here
Ik ben al heel mijn leven ongeschikt voor arbeid, maar helaas