‘Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has pledged to offer his resignation if he is issued a fixed penalty notice for breaking COVID rules.’
A very honourable way to go out that would be a grand win for Labour.
Will further drag BoJo through the mud and highlight the pure ineptitude and reprehensible nature of the PM.
It’s a good move, but I fear the moral bankruptcy of a lot of Tory voters will sustain them when it comes to the next election. We’ll see.
ℂℍ𝕆𝕆𝕊𝔼 𝕐𝕆𝕌ℝ 𝔻𝔼𝕊𝕋𝕀ℕ𝕐
>This is going to backfire spectacularly. Starmer will resign, Labour will descend even further into infighting, Johnson’s crimes will get forgotten, Tory landslide in 2024
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>A very honourable way to go out that would be a grand win for Labour.
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>Will further drag BoJo through the mud and highlight the pure ineptitude and reprehensible nature of the PM.
What’s more likely to happen is that Starmer is found not-guilty and this turns into a “But her emails” type situation.
Quite the gamble but there’s no way around it tbh. If he’s fined then he’ll have to step down, but ultimately it wouldn’t be a bad thing. He’d have taken one for the team, hence why Tories are bricking it at the prospect of him actually resigning.
Methinks they haven’t thought through the implications of Starmer resigning, how bad it’ll look on Johnson.
Absolutely insane that this is dragging out with Alexander still in power, what a shitshow of a country.
Diane Abbott said exactly the same thing at the weekend and was viciously attacked for it by Starmer supporters on here and Twitter.
Good tactic. He makes Johnson and Sunak look bad whichever way it goes, and It’s something we can throw back at all those saying “they are all just as bad as each other”.
No they are not.
Already the BBC/Sky focusing more on the opposition than they are on this joke of a goverment.
Comparing 1 gathering vs 15 parties
Lose lose for Boris but watch him cling on even if Kier goes
Seems like a lose-lose either way for the Tories who have pressed this so hard.
Police say he did nothing wrong – they look pathetic for trying to push it whilst simultaneously defending Boris’s worse behaviour
He gets fined – they look even worse as Labour actually have the integrity to quit for it
Seems like a risky gamble. This whole thing is already a massive stitch up – the police reopening a closed case, in which they found no wrongdoing, based on nothing more than pressure from right wing press as a distraction from Tory crimes and failures – so what’s to say they don’t concoct some bullshit technicality to pin him with?
And no matter what the outcome is, we’ve reached a new low as a country when MPs and their mates are using the police as a political weapon, making them investigate spurious claims as a new form of mudslinging. It sets an awful precedent.
Keir doing the honourable thing and maybe he thinks this will be his crowning moment in what he believes would be a true generational blow against the Tories.
Except most people who voted for Boris seemingly don’t give a shit. He’s trying to appease a country, the voting majority of whom don’t care about moral integrity.
But all politicians are the same aren’t they? No huge Starmer fan but fair play!
I really hope this happens. Will give Boris the middle finger and get rid of Starmer as party leader. Win/Win.
Starmer is in the perfect position to martyr himself for labour.
If he resigns and bojo doesn’t, that is really fucking damning, and the tories will lose even more respect. And the MP that rises to Starmer’s position will reap the benefits of Starmer’s sacrifice.
Broke the law… resign… Bojo didn’t get the memo unfortunately. The nasty Tory party are really living up to their name at the moment.
Oh god, I hope we don’t get another hard left Labour leader. It’s almost certain to ensure another Tory GE victory.
Personally I think it is the right thing to do if found guilty. To stay as Labour leader would only make him as untrustworthy as Bojo and set a bad example for the Labour Party
Almost seems like a plan that if Starmer goes Bojo needs to go to. Could force an early election.
Man this is primed to backfire unless he’s intending to stand down before the next election anyway, as people are uncertain of his leadership let alone who might replace him.
This will have zero effect on the conservatives. Boris will never stand down, I think that’s quite clear at this point.
And all of a sudden, all those Tories that have been banging on about this for the last couple of weeks go strangely quiet
And honestly that’s the right moral and the right political/strategic thing to do. Do I PERSONALLY think he’ll be fined? Probably not, but this is exactly what he’s needed to say all this time from whenever the second investigation started
Starmer is banking on Durham Police not being corrupt… which is a terrifying situation.
A politician with a backbone says he will resign if found guilty of wrongdoing.
Fixed this title for you
>episode but the Labour leader said critics were “just trying to feed
cynicism to get the public to believe all politicians are the same”.
He’s right you know, they’re absolutely not the same. Kier has quite good hair.
He won’t get a fine of course. But who would take over if he had to step down? Would Angela get a shot at it? I couldn’t take it if we had to deal with Wes Streeting and the like.
Ah yes because trying to posit it that Boris Johnson should resign if he broke one rule out of many rules of many rules his party has broken over the past 12 years without facing any scrutiny from their voters will surely work. If they cared that much about morals and honesty they wouldn’t vote for Boris Johnson in the first place, the sooner the British left has done away with this hoity toity “we all have to play nice and abide by the rules” drivel the better.
To put it bluntly, the best thing he could have done is just ignore it. Don’t engage or indulge your opponents and they have a much harder time getting anything out of you.
He seems to think that if he is innocent he won’t get a fine. That’s unfortunately not how it works. I was issued a totally unjustified traffic fine by a cop and had to go to court to get it squashed.
Nothing is done without prior strategy. 2 scenarios.
1) no fine – continue to mount pressure on boris. Can hold the high ground that he would have resigned as it’s the right thing to do.
2) there is a fine. Steps down. New leader comes in – a good time to do so – and puts pressure on boris for not doing the same.
Its a noble gesture, but Johnsons base will find it funny and still vote for him anyway.
As I’ve said before, your average Tory voters opinion on the Downing Street parties is “haha cheese and wine, what a lad!” They didn’t care and probably found the outrage funny too.
A huge chunk of 2019s blue vote are like the Trump base in that the drama, the outrage, the cartoon characters, the way what is going on ruffles up the feathers of “woke” people, the smirking at the struggling poor (even if some of them may very well be near to that bracket themselves), views on immigration that boil down to “sink the boats” or “send the fuckers back to where they came from [Rwanda, apparently]”, the fetishisation of billionaires like Musk and turning them, too, into parody characters rather than arch-examples of “the problem”.
Hell I’d bet that your average “Young Conservative” as of now is more likely to be an edgy alt-righter posting memes of Pepe in private telegram groups than the generic upper middle class posh boys who have been indoctrinated blue since birth.
It needs to sink in. This- or, more accurately, an unofficial coalition of this and the general Boomer blue vote- is what we are up against.
Good – now show me that same energy from the Conservative Party.
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‘Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has pledged to offer his resignation if he is issued a fixed penalty notice for breaking COVID rules.’
A very honourable way to go out that would be a grand win for Labour.
Will further drag BoJo through the mud and highlight the pure ineptitude and reprehensible nature of the PM.
It’s a good move, but I fear the moral bankruptcy of a lot of Tory voters will sustain them when it comes to the next election. We’ll see.
ℂℍ𝕆𝕆𝕊𝔼 𝕐𝕆𝕌ℝ 𝔻𝔼𝕊𝕋𝕀ℕ𝕐
>This is going to backfire spectacularly. Starmer will resign, Labour will descend even further into infighting, Johnson’s crimes will get forgotten, Tory landslide in 2024
​
>A very honourable way to go out that would be a grand win for Labour.
>
>Will further drag BoJo through the mud and highlight the pure ineptitude and reprehensible nature of the PM.
What’s more likely to happen is that Starmer is found not-guilty and this turns into a “But her emails” type situation.
Quite the gamble but there’s no way around it tbh. If he’s fined then he’ll have to step down, but ultimately it wouldn’t be a bad thing. He’d have taken one for the team, hence why Tories are bricking it at the prospect of him actually resigning.
Methinks they haven’t thought through the implications of Starmer resigning, how bad it’ll look on Johnson.
Absolutely insane that this is dragging out with Alexander still in power, what a shitshow of a country.
Diane Abbott said exactly the same thing at the weekend and was viciously attacked for it by Starmer supporters on here and Twitter.
Good tactic. He makes Johnson and Sunak look bad whichever way it goes, and It’s something we can throw back at all those saying “they are all just as bad as each other”.
No they are not.
Already the BBC/Sky focusing more on the opposition than they are on this joke of a goverment.
Comparing 1 gathering vs 15 parties
Lose lose for Boris but watch him cling on even if Kier goes
Seems like a lose-lose either way for the Tories who have pressed this so hard.
Police say he did nothing wrong – they look pathetic for trying to push it whilst simultaneously defending Boris’s worse behaviour
He gets fined – they look even worse as Labour actually have the integrity to quit for it
Seems like a risky gamble. This whole thing is already a massive stitch up – the police reopening a closed case, in which they found no wrongdoing, based on nothing more than pressure from right wing press as a distraction from Tory crimes and failures – so what’s to say they don’t concoct some bullshit technicality to pin him with?
And no matter what the outcome is, we’ve reached a new low as a country when MPs and their mates are using the police as a political weapon, making them investigate spurious claims as a new form of mudslinging. It sets an awful precedent.
Keir doing the honourable thing and maybe he thinks this will be his crowning moment in what he believes would be a true generational blow against the Tories.
Except most people who voted for Boris seemingly don’t give a shit. He’s trying to appease a country, the voting majority of whom don’t care about moral integrity.
But all politicians are the same aren’t they? No huge Starmer fan but fair play!
I really hope this happens. Will give Boris the middle finger and get rid of Starmer as party leader. Win/Win.
Starmer is in the perfect position to martyr himself for labour.
If he resigns and bojo doesn’t, that is really fucking damning, and the tories will lose even more respect. And the MP that rises to Starmer’s position will reap the benefits of Starmer’s sacrifice.
Broke the law… resign… Bojo didn’t get the memo unfortunately. The nasty Tory party are really living up to their name at the moment.
Oh god, I hope we don’t get another hard left Labour leader. It’s almost certain to ensure another Tory GE victory.
Personally I think it is the right thing to do if found guilty. To stay as Labour leader would only make him as untrustworthy as Bojo and set a bad example for the Labour Party
Almost seems like a plan that if Starmer goes Bojo needs to go to. Could force an early election.
Man this is primed to backfire unless he’s intending to stand down before the next election anyway, as people are uncertain of his leadership let alone who might replace him.
This will have zero effect on the conservatives. Boris will never stand down, I think that’s quite clear at this point.
And all of a sudden, all those Tories that have been banging on about this for the last couple of weeks go strangely quiet
And honestly that’s the right moral and the right political/strategic thing to do. Do I PERSONALLY think he’ll be fined? Probably not, but this is exactly what he’s needed to say all this time from whenever the second investigation started
Starmer is banking on Durham Police not being corrupt… which is a terrifying situation.
A politician with a backbone says he will resign if found guilty of wrongdoing.
Fixed this title for you
>episode but the Labour leader said critics were “just trying to feed
cynicism to get the public to believe all politicians are the same”.
He’s right you know, they’re absolutely not the same. Kier has quite good hair.
He won’t get a fine of course. But who would take over if he had to step down? Would Angela get a shot at it? I couldn’t take it if we had to deal with Wes Streeting and the like.
Ah yes because trying to posit it that Boris Johnson should resign if he broke one rule out of many rules of many rules his party has broken over the past 12 years without facing any scrutiny from their voters will surely work. If they cared that much about morals and honesty they wouldn’t vote for Boris Johnson in the first place, the sooner the British left has done away with this hoity toity “we all have to play nice and abide by the rules” drivel the better.
To put it bluntly, the best thing he could have done is just ignore it. Don’t engage or indulge your opponents and they have a much harder time getting anything out of you.
He seems to think that if he is innocent he won’t get a fine. That’s unfortunately not how it works. I was issued a totally unjustified traffic fine by a cop and had to go to court to get it squashed.
Nothing is done without prior strategy. 2 scenarios.
1) no fine – continue to mount pressure on boris. Can hold the high ground that he would have resigned as it’s the right thing to do.
2) there is a fine. Steps down. New leader comes in – a good time to do so – and puts pressure on boris for not doing the same.
Its a noble gesture, but Johnsons base will find it funny and still vote for him anyway.
As I’ve said before, your average Tory voters opinion on the Downing Street parties is “haha cheese and wine, what a lad!” They didn’t care and probably found the outrage funny too.
A huge chunk of 2019s blue vote are like the Trump base in that the drama, the outrage, the cartoon characters, the way what is going on ruffles up the feathers of “woke” people, the smirking at the struggling poor (even if some of them may very well be near to that bracket themselves), views on immigration that boil down to “sink the boats” or “send the fuckers back to where they came from [Rwanda, apparently]”, the fetishisation of billionaires like Musk and turning them, too, into parody characters rather than arch-examples of “the problem”.
Hell I’d bet that your average “Young Conservative” as of now is more likely to be an edgy alt-righter posting memes of Pepe in private telegram groups than the generic upper middle class posh boys who have been indoctrinated blue since birth.
It needs to sink in. This- or, more accurately, an unofficial coalition of this and the general Boomer blue vote- is what we are up against.
Good – now show me that same energy from the Conservative Party.