I looked for a romanian announcement but I haven’t found one.
Does nobody even talk to Hungary anymore or why are they missing lol.
Anyway I guess we might see talk of two-speed Europe pick up again. Not sure about the rest but the French, Italian and German governments seem very determined to push forward.
“Hasty and premature” after 20 years of stagnation…
Interesting to notice no founding fathers in this group.
Political bullshit to pave way to idiotic thing like vetoes to continue on. I hope that the rest of the EU can convince them, or, at least, we can find a common solution for both parties.
At least we’re not among them for once.
Well, I’m kind of disappointed. What do they mean by “the treaties are working”? Am I the only one who considers the current treaties as trash? Most countries aren’t following them and disobey (portugal, spain, austria ect…) , the left wing in france are calling to disobey the treaties which are forcing austerity upon the nations.
Humanity has never seen constitutional laws regarding economy ***except in the USSR and in Iran.***
And above all, the democratic system is beyond trash. The EU has one of the weakest parliament in the democratic world, and has to be one of the few parliament that is weaker than the executive power (the european commission).
We, the european people voted for the MEP, and they voted to revise the treaties. If they can’t listen to that, then there is no democracy at all in this european system.
Ah yes, so “hasty and premature” to work on updating our systems after several crises showed they’re no longer effective, and after the peoples directly elected representatives as well as the citizens panels are calling for urgent treaty change.
The governments of Bugaria, Crotia, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Romania, Slovenia and Sweden ought to listen to their people, not their egos.
That’s like… Half the EU. Remember kids, not everyone is super high on EU integration or doing big changes to EU treaties.
Surprised the Netherlands and Austria aren’t there. And how exactly is this hasty? There’s hardly going to be a vote tomorrow.
All the economic heavy weights are in favour of reform, though.
This feels like 2004 again.
Sad, but not surprising.
Maybe this really will be the thing that establishes a two-speed-eu.
Would probably b the most productive solution for everyone.
What has to happen though, two speed or not, is the reform of the eu parliament and full legislative power for it.
That alone would reduce the democratic deficit enormously
Looks like an Eastexit to me.
How about we unite these 13 countries (20% of the EU population) under a single roof and they get a collective veto right that they decide among themselves?
Crazy how Slovenia’s deplorable government is signing letters like this one and signing contracts for new weapons two weeks after being defeated in the elections. I like the British system where you’re out on the street the next morning.
Eastern European countries with the exception of Denmark, Finland and Malta; is this surprising? not at all.
At some point, we have to move on without them.
This shows how candidate countries such as Ukraine, North Macedonia, Georgia and so on are not a good idea.
They want to enter the EU not under the ideological impulse ([Inner Six](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Six)), but only to find a refuge. As if the main purpose of the EU is to be a humanitarian organisation.
Well there are legitimate concerns with Draghi already last week drooling after all the joint debt he can take when the debt mechanism is continued. So maybe put him in charge of the economy and Scholz in command of the foreign policy, we should be fucking golden.
I am for an European federation long term but really suspicious about the situation here
Source? Also, doubt on Croatia, IDK who signed for us, but Plenković already said there should be treaty revision during the coronacrisis
EDIT: Plenković tweeted about CoFoE, says that big decisions and community/togetherness are important. I think if this was our stance he at least would’ve mentioned that treaty change is premature.
A two-speed Europe is technically closer now than it has ever been, I believe. One could argue that the first example of two-speed Europe was constitute by France and its two main allies, the UK and Germany, with which it signed specific treaties to strengthen their collaboration further compared to their normal shared EU membership.
The UK left the EU however, and things changed. Since then, though, France signed a treaty with Italy, Italy and Spain are working on a treaty of their own and some even say that Italy might sign a treaty with Germany too. This whole dynamic creates a group of countries that goes beyond groups like the V4 or the Baltics, as it orbits around the founding countries of the EEC. This might be the beginning of the formation of the “core” group of a two-speed Europe.
So, nearly half the member states dont want this.
Maybe its time to sit down and **actually** sort out what every member wants the EU to be in the future, and not just constantly push for more integration and eventual Federation, while calling those that are hesitant “roadblocks” and anti-EU.
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[Source 1](https://twitter.com/Latvian_MFA/status/1523667642426421255)
[Source 2](https://twitter.com/DanishMFA/status/1523653505286049792)
I looked for a romanian announcement but I haven’t found one.
Does nobody even talk to Hungary anymore or why are they missing lol.
Anyway I guess we might see talk of two-speed Europe pick up again. Not sure about the rest but the French, Italian and German governments seem very determined to push forward.
“Hasty and premature” after 20 years of stagnation…
Interesting to notice no founding fathers in this group.
Political bullshit to pave way to idiotic thing like vetoes to continue on. I hope that the rest of the EU can convince them, or, at least, we can find a common solution for both parties.
At least we’re not among them for once.
Well, I’m kind of disappointed. What do they mean by “the treaties are working”? Am I the only one who considers the current treaties as trash? Most countries aren’t following them and disobey (portugal, spain, austria ect…) , the left wing in france are calling to disobey the treaties which are forcing austerity upon the nations.
Humanity has never seen constitutional laws regarding economy ***except in the USSR and in Iran.***
And above all, the democratic system is beyond trash. The EU has one of the weakest parliament in the democratic world, and has to be one of the few parliament that is weaker than the executive power (the european commission).
We, the european people voted for the MEP, and they voted to revise the treaties. If they can’t listen to that, then there is no democracy at all in this european system.
Ah yes, so “hasty and premature” to work on updating our systems after several crises showed they’re no longer effective, and after the peoples directly elected representatives as well as the citizens panels are calling for urgent treaty change.
The governments of Bugaria, Crotia, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Poland, Romania, Slovenia and Sweden ought to listen to their people, not their egos.
That’s like… Half the EU. Remember kids, not everyone is super high on EU integration or doing big changes to EU treaties.
Surprised the Netherlands and Austria aren’t there. And how exactly is this hasty? There’s hardly going to be a vote tomorrow.
All the economic heavy weights are in favour of reform, though.
This feels like 2004 again.
Sad, but not surprising.
Maybe this really will be the thing that establishes a two-speed-eu.
Would probably b the most productive solution for everyone.
What has to happen though, two speed or not, is the reform of the eu parliament and full legislative power for it.
That alone would reduce the democratic deficit enormously
Looks like an Eastexit to me.
How about we unite these 13 countries (20% of the EU population) under a single roof and they get a collective veto right that they decide among themselves?
Crazy how Slovenia’s deplorable government is signing letters like this one and signing contracts for new weapons two weeks after being defeated in the elections. I like the British system where you’re out on the street the next morning.
Eastern European countries with the exception of Denmark, Finland and Malta; is this surprising? not at all.
At some point, we have to move on without them.
This shows how candidate countries such as Ukraine, North Macedonia, Georgia and so on are not a good idea.
They want to enter the EU not under the ideological impulse ([Inner Six](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Six)), but only to find a refuge. As if the main purpose of the EU is to be a humanitarian organisation.
If these countries do not want to continue the original impetus of the EU, they should leave the organisation and become members of [EFTA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Free_Trade_Association) only.
Well there are legitimate concerns with Draghi already last week drooling after all the joint debt he can take when the debt mechanism is continued. So maybe put him in charge of the economy and Scholz in command of the foreign policy, we should be fucking golden.
I am for an European federation long term but really suspicious about the situation here
Source? Also, doubt on Croatia, IDK who signed for us, but Plenković already said there should be treaty revision during the coronacrisis
EDIT: Plenković tweeted about CoFoE, says that big decisions and community/togetherness are important. I think if this was our stance he at least would’ve mentioned that treaty change is premature.
A two-speed Europe is technically closer now than it has ever been, I believe. One could argue that the first example of two-speed Europe was constitute by France and its two main allies, the UK and Germany, with which it signed specific treaties to strengthen their collaboration further compared to their normal shared EU membership.
The UK left the EU however, and things changed. Since then, though, France signed a treaty with Italy, Italy and Spain are working on a treaty of their own and some even say that Italy might sign a treaty with Germany too. This whole dynamic creates a group of countries that goes beyond groups like the V4 or the Baltics, as it orbits around the founding countries of the EEC. This might be the beginning of the formation of the “core” group of a two-speed Europe.
So, nearly half the member states dont want this.
Maybe its time to sit down and **actually** sort out what every member wants the EU to be in the future, and not just constantly push for more integration and eventual Federation, while calling those that are hesitant “roadblocks” and anti-EU.