Will the radical digitalization and simplification also commit to cheaper pricing?
I think not
How many of the people who came up with this obscenely stupid idea failed upwards from SNCF and DB ?
I don’t mind another pricing system but this thing seems so obscure. Somehow the more you take the train the less you pay? How are you supposed to budget for that?
> Die neuen Billettpreise will die Branche im Laufe des nächsten Jahres festlegen. Sie sollen über dem Halbtaxtarif, aber unter dem heutigen Volltarif liegen. Laut Alliance-Swisspass-Geschäftsführer Helmut Eichhorn hat das einen Vorteil: «Wenn der normale Billettpreis tief genug ist, lässt ein Autofahrer sein Auto eher einmal stehen und nimmt den Zug.»
> Aber: Teurer dürfte es für alle werden, die immer wieder Zug fahren und heute den Kaufpreis des Halbtaxabos wieder hereinholen. Für die 170 Franken muss man heute im Laufe eines Jahres bloss Tickets über 340 Franken lösen, um das Abo gegenüber den vollen Billettpreisen herauszuschlagen.
Sooo milk the people that actually depend on public transport for daily life so you can offer lower prices for people that MIGHT use it. And of course, they don’t actually plan on getting any increased revenue. Right.
Just a quick reminder that Albert Rösti is actively sabotaging SBB/CFF/FFS as well as public transportation in general. He’s fighting for unnecessary price increases just out of spite for an extremely popular public service.
But hey: You vote for people who absolutely HATE public transportation, you get worse public transportation. Don’t act surprised
Pro: Simplification especially when traveling across tariff zones.
Con: More spontaneous usage. Less predictable demand. More underused or overfilled trains and buses.
it’s barely cheaper for me with a halftax (compared to driving)
* Change should be revenue-neutral for the whole system
* A new base price will be somewhere between the current Halbtax and the current full fare
* For high users, a “distance” discount based on total distance used in a month wil apply, the futher the distance, the higher the discount
Essentially, you don’t have to think if a Halbtax is worth or not *before* using public transit. Simply using public transit more will automatically trigger the discounts.
Something worth **actually** protesting over?
To me this is good news. I currently got a halbtax, but only because I got it for half of the price. Probably I will not extend it for full price.
If someone is using public transport very often I think they will go for a GA anyway.
“Car users should use the train”. “We’re cancelling the incentives for people who regularly use the train”. 🤔 Am I the only one seeing the conflicts here?
Without the Halbtax, the ticket prices are completely ridiculous and out of line with alternative transport options. So for any regular public transport user, the Halbtax (or GA) is a must.
Abolishing the half-fare and replacing it with e.g. a 75% fare would effectively just increasing the ticket price for the majority of users with 50%. This would just push people into cars and clog up the roads even more.
I like the idea of scrapinf the half fare card, the government should just pay for it for everyone, if you don’t take the train it is your problem then.
Plans to double prices on 90% of the population.
Après les assurances maladie, les transports publics sans parler de toutes les autres augmentations du coût de la vie …
Les classes populaires sont progressivement étouffées et après ça viendra pleurer quand elles se réveilleront…
If my cars engine exploded tomorrow and i would have to let it be replaced i would still travel cheaper than via train.
Sooo… get a car? You can lease a car for 200-250 a month; so you end up similar cost to GA, and get more flexibility.
And the kicker? You keep what sbb wants to take away from you, consistency in pricing so you can actually budget it
this is some bullshit. I drive a car and would not take the train even if it was 1/2 of the price to begin with. My commute would take almost twice as long, and I would have to change a few times. Like myself, all my mid aged friends own or rent a family sized property and have kids who go to the local school. Moving isn’t an option, and the place of residence should not impede your career development or the ability to provide.
When you look at the autobahn in the morning, it is lorries, a bunch of those white vans with painters, electricians and other trades, and a bunch of company cars (including mine). All those amount up to more than 50% of the traffic, in my opinion. You cannot move those people to the train.
The comments of these guys are just a money grab for the people already using trains.
If this happens I am done. I have already been thinking about taking on debt to buy a scooter to get to places a little quicker. I can amortize it easily over the next few years since I would be taking public transport less.
But I haven’t done it since I generally don’t want to take on debt. However if this happens, I am done. There is no reason not do it since the price, not factoring in the value of my time, becomes too large to ignore.
I’m fine paying 10% more per trip if it means not needing a Halbtax.
the day im going to buy a car lol
and not an electric one
They probably went to McKinsey or some useless overpriced consultancy company and got told to push everyone to the yearly abo instead.
GA holders don’t pay half fare. So they are just pushing you to it.
Guess I‘ll take the car then
An Initiative for free public transport where everyone pays CHF 1 per day and CHF 2 if you make more than 100k seems like an attractive alternative at this point and would cover the 4B they get now in ticket sales[1]. People can still pay extra for 1. class.
Make everyone pay, even people who do not use it. Car drivers benefit too when less people are on the roads so I don’t want to hear it.
There isn‘t even a trainline to my workplace. Only a postauto.
Would not be surprised if one of the drivers of this has to do with the increase of the self cover rates (Eigendeckungsgrad) that Rösti is pushing.
Right, so now whenever I need to get down to Ticino instead of paying an ungodly fee WITH halbtax I will pay a double ungodly fee.
I will simply use the car then, it’s already cheaper now, it will get even “cheaper”
What a retarded decision.
Surely an initiative can stop this.
Bad idea. Public transport is already more expensive than car. Without halbtax, who will use the railway?
We did a family trip the other day from Zurich to Bern, we have two kids, one has a Juniorkarte and rides for free, the second one is under the age of 6 and therefore also rides for free. I have a half fare ticket, my girlfriend doesn’t.
I did the math and we would’ve paid the same for public transport as we would’ve for using the car, all cost considered, including depreciation of the car. If we would’ve had to pay for the two kids as well and if I didn’t have half fare, the math would’ve been even worse.
The car also gave us the increased flexibility of arriving and/or departing when we wanted.
So without half fare, it would become even more ridiculous to chose public transport over our car, which honestly makes me sad because I genuinely love taking the train, especially for family trips. But I’m already being milked on all ends for driving an EV and I’m getting tired of it to just pay 2x more only “to do the right thing”
Double the price for the half fare ticket, I agree with that. But we need this option, because nobody who uses the train 10-15 times a year will buy a GA.
This is an own goal. They will push more people to cars with this move I bet.
If the purpose is to remove cars from the streets, just lower the ticket prices to car owners. Easy.
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Will the radical digitalization and simplification also commit to cheaper pricing?
I think not
How many of the people who came up with this obscenely stupid idea failed upwards from SNCF and DB ?
I don’t mind another pricing system but this thing seems so obscure. Somehow the more you take the train the less you pay? How are you supposed to budget for that?
> Die neuen Billettpreise will die Branche im Laufe des nächsten Jahres festlegen. Sie sollen über dem Halbtaxtarif, aber unter dem heutigen Volltarif liegen. Laut Alliance-Swisspass-Geschäftsführer Helmut Eichhorn hat das einen Vorteil: «Wenn der normale Billettpreis tief genug ist, lässt ein Autofahrer sein Auto eher einmal stehen und nimmt den Zug.»
> Aber: Teurer dürfte es für alle werden, die immer wieder Zug fahren und heute den Kaufpreis des Halbtaxabos wieder hereinholen. Für die 170 Franken muss man heute im Laufe eines Jahres bloss Tickets über 340 Franken lösen, um das Abo gegenüber den vollen Billettpreisen herauszuschlagen.
Sooo milk the people that actually depend on public transport for daily life so you can offer lower prices for people that MIGHT use it. And of course, they don’t actually plan on getting any increased revenue. Right.
Just a quick reminder that Albert Rösti is actively sabotaging SBB/CFF/FFS as well as public transportation in general. He’s fighting for unnecessary price increases just out of spite for an extremely popular public service.
But hey: You vote for people who absolutely HATE public transportation, you get worse public transportation. Don’t act surprised
Pro: Simplification especially when traveling across tariff zones.
Con: More spontaneous usage. Less predictable demand. More underused or overfilled trains and buses.
it’s barely cheaper for me with a halftax (compared to driving)
I look forward to even more stau everywhere!!
A better source, from a month ago: [https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassensturz-espresso/espresso/projekt-my-ride-radikale-vereinfachung-des-oev-ticket-systems-soll-2027-kommen](https://www.srf.ch/sendungen/kassensturz-espresso/espresso/projekt-my-ride-radikale-vereinfachung-des-oev-ticket-systems-soll-2027-kommen)
TL;DR:
* Change should be revenue-neutral for the whole system
* A new base price will be somewhere between the current Halbtax and the current full fare
* For high users, a “distance” discount based on total distance used in a month wil apply, the futher the distance, the higher the discount
Essentially, you don’t have to think if a Halbtax is worth or not *before* using public transit. Simply using public transit more will automatically trigger the discounts.
Something worth **actually** protesting over?
To me this is good news. I currently got a halbtax, but only because I got it for half of the price. Probably I will not extend it for full price.
If someone is using public transport very often I think they will go for a GA anyway.
“Car users should use the train”. “We’re cancelling the incentives for people who regularly use the train”. 🤔 Am I the only one seeing the conflicts here?
Without the Halbtax, the ticket prices are completely ridiculous and out of line with alternative transport options. So for any regular public transport user, the Halbtax (or GA) is a must.
Abolishing the half-fare and replacing it with e.g. a 75% fare would effectively just increasing the ticket price for the majority of users with 50%. This would just push people into cars and clog up the roads even more.
I like the idea of scrapinf the half fare card, the government should just pay for it for everyone, if you don’t take the train it is your problem then.
Plans to double prices on 90% of the population.
Après les assurances maladie, les transports publics sans parler de toutes les autres augmentations du coût de la vie …
Les classes populaires sont progressivement étouffées et après ça viendra pleurer quand elles se réveilleront…
If my cars engine exploded tomorrow and i would have to let it be replaced i would still travel cheaper than via train.
Sooo… get a car? You can lease a car for 200-250 a month; so you end up similar cost to GA, and get more flexibility.
And the kicker? You keep what sbb wants to take away from you, consistency in pricing so you can actually budget it
this is some bullshit. I drive a car and would not take the train even if it was 1/2 of the price to begin with. My commute would take almost twice as long, and I would have to change a few times. Like myself, all my mid aged friends own or rent a family sized property and have kids who go to the local school. Moving isn’t an option, and the place of residence should not impede your career development or the ability to provide.
When you look at the autobahn in the morning, it is lorries, a bunch of those white vans with painters, electricians and other trades, and a bunch of company cars (including mine). All those amount up to more than 50% of the traffic, in my opinion. You cannot move those people to the train.
The comments of these guys are just a money grab for the people already using trains.
If this happens I am done. I have already been thinking about taking on debt to buy a scooter to get to places a little quicker. I can amortize it easily over the next few years since I would be taking public transport less.
But I haven’t done it since I generally don’t want to take on debt. However if this happens, I am done. There is no reason not do it since the price, not factoring in the value of my time, becomes too large to ignore.
I’m fine paying 10% more per trip if it means not needing a Halbtax.
the day im going to buy a car lol
and not an electric one
They probably went to McKinsey or some useless overpriced consultancy company and got told to push everyone to the yearly abo instead.
GA holders don’t pay half fare. So they are just pushing you to it.
Guess I‘ll take the car then
An Initiative for free public transport where everyone pays CHF 1 per day and CHF 2 if you make more than 100k seems like an attractive alternative at this point and would cover the 4B they get now in ticket sales[1]. People can still pay extra for 1. class.
Make everyone pay, even people who do not use it. Car drivers benefit too when less people are on the roads so I don’t want to hear it.
[1] https://reporting.sbb.ch/en/transportation
There isn‘t even a trainline to my workplace. Only a postauto.
Would not be surprised if one of the drivers of this has to do with the increase of the self cover rates (Eigendeckungsgrad) that Rösti is pushing.
Right, so now whenever I need to get down to Ticino instead of paying an ungodly fee WITH halbtax I will pay a double ungodly fee.
I will simply use the car then, it’s already cheaper now, it will get even “cheaper”
What a retarded decision.
Surely an initiative can stop this.
Bad idea. Public transport is already more expensive than car. Without halbtax, who will use the railway?
We did a family trip the other day from Zurich to Bern, we have two kids, one has a Juniorkarte and rides for free, the second one is under the age of 6 and therefore also rides for free. I have a half fare ticket, my girlfriend doesn’t.
I did the math and we would’ve paid the same for public transport as we would’ve for using the car, all cost considered, including depreciation of the car. If we would’ve had to pay for the two kids as well and if I didn’t have half fare, the math would’ve been even worse.
The car also gave us the increased flexibility of arriving and/or departing when we wanted.
So without half fare, it would become even more ridiculous to chose public transport over our car, which honestly makes me sad because I genuinely love taking the train, especially for family trips. But I’m already being milked on all ends for driving an EV and I’m getting tired of it to just pay 2x more only “to do the right thing”
Double the price for the half fare ticket, I agree with that. But we need this option, because nobody who uses the train 10-15 times a year will buy a GA.
This is an own goal. They will push more people to cars with this move I bet.
If the purpose is to remove cars from the streets, just lower the ticket prices to car owners. Easy.
No thank you.
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