Teacher banned from classroom after telling pupil ‘imagine this was your mum’ in lesson about honour killings. Former head of sixth form will be unable to teach in any school or children’s home across England
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/teacher-banned-classroom-pupil-honour-killings-lesson-b2849934.html
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>A witness told the panel that Mr Lloyd’s comments significantly impacted the pupils. She said she had “never experienced anything like it before” and was taken aback as the pupils were “distraught” and felt let down by Mr Lloyd.
Yes, it’s upsetting to be told things you don’t want to hear.
As well as his comment asking a pupil to imagine their mother being killed, he was accused of telling another student that female genital mutilation happened exclusively in their culture, and another that, if she were living in Iran, she would have been killed for what she was wearing.
Four statements from pupils reported Mr Lloyd sarcastically referring to a redacted faith as a “religion of peace” with a thumbs up. He then told another pupil “so you’re all not so bad after all”, after they said “we don’t believe in killing anyone in the religion”. He then told that student he was not sorry if he had offended them, as he went on to tell the class he would happily commit murder if anyone had hurt his daughter.
Seems like the correct decision. Perhaps he wants a career change and aspires to be a right wing commentator
Fucking joke. Banned from teaching for telling the truth.
>Four statements from pupils reported Mr Lloyd **sarcastically** referring to a redacted faith as a “religion of peace” with a thumbs up. He then told another pupil **“so you’re all not so bad after all”**, after they said “we don’t believe in killing anyone in the religion”. He then told that student he was not sorry if he had offended them, as he went on to tell the class **he would happily commit murder** if anyone had hurt his daughter.
So he was not exactly banned for what headline says but multiple instances of generally inappropriate comments.
That seems like a wild overreaction, I wonder if there’s more to it – let’s check the article and see if the headline is just pure fuckin’ clickbait:
>As well as his comment asking a pupil to imagine their mother being killed, he was accused of telling another student that [female genital mutilation](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/female-genital-mutilation) happened exclusively in their culture, and another that, if she were living in Iran, she would have been killed for what she was wearing.
That sure seems to suggest a pattern of unprofessional behaviour. I can see why students described his conduct as ‘upsetting’. Even if these things are true, they aren’t how a teacher should be teaching our young people to behave.
>Four statements from pupils reported Mr Lloyd sarcastically referring to a redacted faith as a “religion of peace” with a thumbs up. He then told another pupil “so you’re all not so bad after all”, after they said “we don’t believe in killing anyone in the religion”.
Probably shouldn’t be doin that, mate. If you have a young, religious, student who is telling you they use their faith to find peace with others you should encourage that – this is not helping.
>He then told that student he was not sorry if he had offended them, as he went on to tell the class he would happily commit murder if anyone had hurt his daughter.
I’m sure that’s a sentiment many parents feel, but you should be teaching our young people to seek justice not revenge. And is it really relevant to a classroom lesson?
>Mr Lloyd admitted the allegations in a statement of agreed facts in June 2024. His admitted conduct amounted to “unacceptable professional conduct…”
I’m glad he’s owned his mistakes and acknowledged that some topics need to be discussed sensitively in the classroom. Hopefully he can sort himself out by the time he’s up for review in five years and either return to teaching with a new appreciation for professionalism or find a career better suited to his temprament.
Everyone take a mental snapshot of the comments right now and check back in a day when all the bots get involved and see the difference
Soft cun##
I’m curious why it’s not mentioned what subject he was apparently teaching. Like telling a a bunch of teenagers that you’d kill someone for hurting your kid and shakily telling someone “so you’re all not so bad after all” is WILD, but is like a debate that he got far too heated about or a rant he kicked up in the middle of math class?
Sounds like he tried to fuck around and found out. Ultimately you live and die by the sword.
Funny how it’s a **head of sixth form science teacher** who was probably speaking to teens and in the image they show primary school kids. Great journalism independent I see what you’re doing here.
So he was banned for telling the pupils the truth… Says all you need to know about modern UK.
Crazy that we have to have lessons on honour killings, dont remember this when I was at school 20 years ago. wonder why
Based af, no religion/belief/imaginary friend deserves to be protected. Science teacher probably fed up of having facts questioned by 1-2000 year old fairytales. Disagree with saying “you’re not all bad then”, deserves sacking for that one.
It doesn’t matter
When I was a kid I never knew any teachers political views, it was irrelevant, and im glad I didn’t, as an adult I have a “no politics no religion” rule at workplace, I never discuss these things with anyone I don’t know at the workplace. Why a science teacher of all things thought this was appropriate is beyond me.
The headline is bad enough without context, tbh.
So the headline is out of context but I think we need to absolutely remove religion from a protected characteristic. Your choice of medieval sky fairy spaghetti monster and their bizarre books that requires apologetics to fit into modern society is not something that should or needs to be protected. It’s a choice unlike gender, race etc.
Silly mistake, he should’ve said **”Don’t imagine this was your mum.”**
It’s that magic word again, “after”. You can link two events in whatever way you like as long as chronologically speaking one happened after the other!
“Rascist Shit heel gets banned from teaching”
“Only white Christian countries are prosperous, that should tell you something” – Teacher to me, during a totally a totally irrelevant conversation when I was 12.
Fuck you and your ignorant, cherrypicking ass Mr. Botha.
This guy can fuck all the way off too. Could have rolled up to a local pub and had this conversation with a random, but no, needed to do it to kids he could punish, the coward.
I have read the ruling and note that both the comments and the media are mischaracterising several aspects, including that he appears to have admitted things that the panel itself had doubted happened…
This was triggered by the children laughing during a class about honour killings. I can see why he got angry now.
I have never agreed with freedom of speech being as wide as insulting, however by law you are entitled to offend.
I am more interested to know how someone has set up identical processes for firing teachers, police, doctors solicitors and so on. This is the exact same process, now identical, with the same rulings in the same format, in relation to every single regulated profession. Why? Why did the MPs pass laws during Coronavirus to facilitate this uniform system of firing people?
This is really dodgy, sorry.
I’m going to wait patiently for the right wing commentators to decry the sharing of extreme views by adults in the classroom….
He seems awfully based.
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