Chat Control on steroids is under way [Source in top level comment]

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by Dry_Row_7050

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  1. Since mods [accidently deleted](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/s/Ga9icUiMGJ) the previous submission here is this again.

    [You can read the entire plan here. It is more dystopian than Chat Control](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/document/download/4802e306-c364-4154-835b-e986a9a49281_en?filename=Concluding%20Report%20of%20the%20HLG%20on%20access%20to%20data%20for%20effective%20law%20enforcement_en.pdf) This plan is called ”Roadmap for lawful and effective access to data for law enforcement” or ”ProtectEU” for short.

    EU [has already endorsed]( https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/HTML/?uri=CELEX:52025DC0349) that plan, originally devised by anonymous law enforcement lobbyists. [When German MEP Patrick Breyer requested the names](https://fragdenstaat.de/anfrage/sub-groups-working-groups-of-the-high-level-expert-group-on-access-to-data-for-effective-law-enforcement/#nachricht-842415) of the individuals involved in the high level group, the group that wrote this proposal, the EU Commission [replied with a list with all names blacked out](https://media.frag-den-staat.de/files/foi/848493/document17-participantlistfirstplenary.pdf).

    They are so proud of the plan, it is all over their website, such as [here](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/high-level-group-hlg-access-data-effective-law-enforcement_en)
    and [here](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/internal-security/lawful-access-data/data-retention_en) and [here](https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/policies/internal-security/lawful-access-data_en) too

    By the way, about the data retention aspect of this law, the [previous data retention law](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Retention_Directive) was declared illegal in 2014 by CJEU (EU’s highest court) for being mass surveillance and violating human rights.

    Since most EU states refused to follow the court order and the EU commission refused to enforce it, [CJEU recently caved in to political pressure](https://www.laquadrature.net/en/2024/04/30/surveillance-and-hadopi-eu-court-buries-online-anonymity-a-little-further/) and changed their stance on data retention, making it legal. We shall see if the Commission refuses to enforce court decisions this time when it is about invading privacy rather than protecting it.

    **The Europol chief said that in a digital environment, the police needed to be able to decode these messages to fight crime. [“You will not be able to enforce democracy without it,”](https://www.belganewsagency.eu/europol-chief-calls-on-tech-giants-to-unlock-encrypted-messages) she added.**

    It seems we’re in need of a fightprotecteu site too…

  2. Let’s hope this does not also get “accidentally” deleted.

  3. “Enforce democracy” I wonder what word is better replacement of democracy there.

  7. wtf is with these mods

    haha who the fuck are they getting their money from

  8. I can’t shake the feeling that this has nothing to do with “protecting citizens” and everything to do with killing off IPTV, piracy, and eventually adblockers. Once you mandate “lawful access” by design, you’re really just giving the state and large platforms a built-in backdoor to control what people can or *cannot* access. Security is just the branding, enforcement is the real objective

  10. They won’t be able to make it, data retention is against European rights

  13. Such cowards. Who are they, why do they keep trying to push such laws. How can they be stopped for good?

  14. If this passes, I’m leaving EU unless my country does it.

    To put it gently, these cunts can go cuddle a woodchipper.

    It’s not democracy if you can enforce bullshit without the people actually agreeing to it.

    Denmark is on the fast track to ruin the internet, democracy, the EU and basically everything that made this part of the world good.

  15. …they’ll keep trying to push this shit in any possible form until it passes, won’t they?

  16. Reposting my comment from the deleted post for engagement help.

    Told y’all EU is pushing hard for these laws until one passes. And if one passes, the other ones do too. EU isn’t this nice community where they want the best for citizens. In reality, it’s a block quickly turning authoritarian and dystopic. The fact that EU law is above country laws is gonna fuck us hard. Digital sovereignty will mean the Chinese or Russian systems for us.

  17. Are the governments officials still out of this new control loop ?

    Or do they still consider themselves above the laws they try to push onto their populations to “protect democracy and its children” ?

  18. So buy a Chinese device that you might get spied on with or buy an EU device that you *will* get spied on. Don’t you just love the future?

  19. If this one gets deleted as well, we will know which side the mods are, I guess.

  21. I swear. Isnt there any fucking way of stopping this crazy thing once and forever? It just keeps coming back with extra bs.

  22. Even if we take the very best case scenario of good intentions and use they will “double pinky swear” won’t abuse, and even if somehow no illegal agents access it . All it will take is a single authoritarian in any EU country for every single govrrnment in the entire world to have access to all private information, communication and godsforbid banking details.

  23. I used to be very Pro-EU, but with garbage like this being pushed constantly im not so sure anymore…

  24. We truly live in the Helldivers 2 universe, the global turn to facism under the guise of democracy is a tad bit late tho.

  27. I hate the EU more and more. Over the last years it became anti people and pro dictatorship

  28. not publishing the names of the people who support it show how obscene it is. ”Rules for thee and not for me” in their minds, they get to see everything anyone does online but they themselves are nice and private. Fucks

  29. Man, helldiver’s 2 super earth is supposed to be a satire

  30. This is despicable and gives even more fuel to the far right. The fuck is the EU doing?

  31. “Protecting” the EU by making every device in the Union hackable, truly a plan Flinten-Uschi herself could endorse.

  32. The government already can see what you do by having your internet provider on a speed dial, why more?

  33. It’s good to be weary, but this is just a very vague concept of what some people in law enforcement want. It has nothing to do with chat control, and it might be years until any concrete proposal based on this are drafted and the legislative process might begin. That is, if it even gets any political support in the parliament or council at all, which I find doubtful, given several countries’ fundamental opposition to the whole principle of backdoors in the recent attempt to push the chat control proposal.

    This is more a thing to keep on the radar, there’s very little of substance so far.

  34. Thank you for sharing this, but I would have preferred you refrain from giving such a sensationalistic and opinionated title so that people can read this and draw their own conclusions. A lot will comment without reading what it does and just speculate.

    I am still reading it sideways, and will not have the time to process it fully today, but my feeling is that you may be right, at least partially.

    The good: they want the use sovereign tools and common practices for forensics and lawful interception. Indeed, a lot of those tools are US/Israel made. They also want European level trainings for forensics. Which is very good as the police in some countries is still in the Middle Age when it comes to digital forensics. This part in my opinion should be welcomed.

    The bad: it seems they want to push laws that originated from the Budapest Convention of 2001 that was not signed by all (for example Ireland). Can someone confirm if I understood well? This would mean mandated retention and lawful intercept. Note that most large/medium Internet Providers in the EU already do it, all using different tools. As for the small ones, they are often MVNOs to some extend so a large company do it on their behalf.

    The ugly: once again, they ask for a “vulnerability proof decryption algorithm”, to be applied to ALL communications. THIS. DOES. NOT. EXIST. And again, criminals will turn to backdoor proof algorithms then. So what, only the criminals can protect themselves from states-imposed vulnerabilities?

    They should learn from the TSA keys and Clipper Chip debacles…

  35. This is so disgusting.

    Can we please just air out who is the lobby group pushing for this, the members and their connections?

  40. Some sick shit. Be sure to contact your representatives and give pressure to relevant authorities.

  42. It is a new form of censorship that will be implemented with the contemporary political and economic aspirations of leading parties.

    We need to fight this

  44. It’s a terrible joke at this point “you see guys? 14 times no and one time yesh shtill means yesh”

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