Pretty sure that when we finally have this conversation it won’t be her problem.
>The research suggested 27 percent wanted to abolish the monarchy compared with 60 percent in favor of keeping it.
should be good for a while. I hope it stays.
No republican will try and make a move before the queen dies it’s a loosing battle even after that the support for removing the monarchy is less then 30%
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I don’t think it’s true to say that the Queen has a huge problem.
Her children and grandchildren are another matter…
She’s fine – She is loved and respected.
Next in line isn’t though it seems.
What would the feeling be if Andrew, not Charles was the oldest?
The Queen and her scrounging work-averse wanker family *are* the problem
Put it to a referendum and put the notion that the public don’t want a monarchy to bed.
The spending and funding of the Royal Family is still opaque in 2022 which is unacceptable. I wonder how much of the remaining support is attributable to support for the Queen herself (who, despite loathing the Monarchy I think has done a good job and who is likeable). When Charles with his temper, petulance and arrogance ascends I think we will see the numbers who remain supporters rapidly reduce.
I think William suffers from many of his fathers unpleasant traits (despite having a more effective PR team around him) and similarly I expect this decline in support to continue when he takes over.
I don’t think I will see an end to the Monarchy in my lifetime, but I think my children will in theirs and the Country will be a better place for it. At a time when inequality is more in the spotlight than ever, and injustice based on being privileged solely due to what you were born as is being challenged, it is a shameful contradiction that we have people born in to a life of wealth at the top of society as we do.
Once the queen pegs it, I think the whole royal family and the UK’s governance structure needs looking at tbh.
Quite right too, high time this anachronistic nonsense was consigned to the dustbin of history.
How would we even kick them out?
That’s one thing I’ve never quite understood.
I appreciate that there is no longer any place for the Royals but the Queen is widely loved and a huge part of our culture.
When she passes and let’s be honest it won’t be long I’m sure there will be a conversation about having a referendum to remove them completely. There’s no appetite for Charles and Camilla. Maybe Wills and Kate would have a chance but I don’t believe Charles will give them the option.
Let’s just hope that the Queen lives to see her Jubilee celebrations this summer and that will probably be the end of it.
Typical Britain, we already got rid of the monarchy, invited them back again and now talking about getting rid of it again.
Does anyone know or have an idea how much they make the country vs how much they cost it? I’m not buying the whole thing that tourist come just to see them as the chances of a glimpse is few and far, so if anyone has a figure take that into consideration please.
She’s already like 97…I don’t think the monarchy getting abolished is really gonna be *her* problem
I was vaguely supportive of the Royal Family when I viewed them as a harmless bit of live history. They’re a curiosity, for better or worse they’re a real part of our history and for a relatively small overhead we can keep that history alive.
Similar to our old buildings and castles. Cost a few quid in upkeep but it’s part of how we got to where we are today. And sure, the Queen technically needs to give royal assent to stuff but never blocks it, so I didn’t view that as a real threat to democracy.
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Then we got the leak that the family had actively demanded changes in property laws that would benefit them, which is profoundly un-democratic and against the public interest. That crosses a real line from being a living monument into being dictatorial.
Then the Prince Andrew scandal, where he despicably hid behind his war veteran status to try and make people feel too awkward to probe into his sex offenses. That crosses the line from being a living monument into being a criminal who tries to leverage their status to make them above the law.
And the press treatment of Harry and Meghan is despicable, as is the attitude of much of the general public. A setup that involves the racially-motivated hounding of people who are trying to live good lives is wrong, and if they want out I’m all for it.
The Royal Family are meant to stand for tradition, honour and be a leading example of how we conduct ourselves; nothing about the constant Daily Mail / Piers Morgan shitstorm embodies that, so I think we should scrap it before someone else gets hurt.
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I have a lot of empathy for the Queen, she’s been trapped in a gold-lined cage, stuck trying to satisfy this alienated and un-human image of a perfect monarch. No chance of a real life, a social life or pursuing her real dreams. I think she does deserve dignity and our thanks, even if we’re now keen to put an end to her role.
William and Harry seem ambivalent at best about carrying on the role, and I really think it’s too toxic and undemocratic to continue it. I think when the Queen dies, we should quit while we’re ahead, wind down the monarchy and close all the bullshit legal loopholes. Turn the Crown Estate over into a public asset and run it like we do the rest of our museums and monuments.
I like the queen more than half of parliament and I think she plays an important constitutional role. Imagine a rouge PM gets in and tries to drastically erode democracy as has happened in many other countries. In this case without a monarch the PM would have the absolute legal right to do this (assuming support from his/her party). I’d like to think the queen might have a problem giving royal assent to something such as this. If she tried to involve herself in politics further than this I would be completely against the monarch but as she hasn’t done so I think the status quo works quite nicely and is an important back up in the prevention of autocracy. We really don’t want to be the next Russia and if anyone is going to try and remove term limits etc I wouldn’t put it past Bojo
There’s a simple solution here and one that I’m sure the Tories can get on board with.
Privatise the monarchy. Stick a big ol’ Coca Cola advert on the side of the carriage. Prince Charles bought to you by Greggs.
[Every single law student and solicitor dreading the crunch of a constitutional review lasting years on top of the current systemic crunch generally] *Please, please just dont…*
Republic of the British Isles, with its political capital in Manchester or York.
That I would be happy with.
Even as symbols with no power, it’s worth retaining the monarchy. We have one of the oldest royal families still in existence, rooted in the early sixth century with the establishment of the kingdom of Wessex. The monarchy is one of the defining features of Britishness. Abolish that and you damage the British identity.
Is support for abolishing the monarchy rising or is this just another weekly episode of the sub finding an article that says “royals bad” and all circlejerking over it.
The article itself says support for the monarchy is ‘only’ at 60% and 27% for abolishing, and to no one’s surprise a republican activist group is the one saying that the Queen/Royal family have a huge problem… almost as if they are somewhat biased in saying that. Factoring in for lizardmans constant and that republican sentiment is most popular with the demographic that votes the least… I honestly think this is a nothingburger.
Every article about abolishing the monarchy is just going over the same old roads again and again. Nothing meaningful will change until Charles ascends the throne. And he’s already said he wants to downsize the family.
Can’t wait to replace the monarchy so we can complain bitterly about how unfair whatever replaced it is.
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She and the rest of the Royals can go F*** themselves
Paying 12million to silence someone because someone in your family likes them a bit young
Signing off on the recent law changes by the Tories which basically include, photo ID to vote, easier to privatize the NHS, banning noisy protests…we’re supposed to be living in a democracy…no such thing anymore.
I don’t care if you have certain rules or not, someone who has like 50+ rooms could house so many people fleeing war.
As much as I would dearly relish seeing this archaic relic of an institution abolished, I really don’t think it’s going to happen within my lifetime. The general voting public are gullible idiots and easily swayed by faux-patriotic bullshit.
Prince Andrew: *rapes a minor*
Royals: *defends him and pays his hush-hush money*
Public: Fuck the monarchy!
Royals: *Shocked Pikachu face*
In all honesty I think we should keep Liz until she passes on and then be done with it. I do not want to have King Charles and queen camilla 🤢
So I need to preface this with an obligatory not a monarchist. Whilst the Queen seems to have done a good job as an ambassador the rest of the monarchy seem horrible, and we all know why.
But here’s my question: what would you replace them with?
The setup in most countries is to have a head of government and a head of state. In some countries (USA) this is the same. In many others they are split into a Prime Minister and a President. For the UK we have the Queen as head of state.
This has some benefits. The role is ceremonial so she has no real power, and yet she holds some important positions like head of the army. And if our PM is naughty she can call him in to explain. There’s a lot of weight to that even if it is largely just perception. If nothing else he still has to ask for permission, even just as a ceremonial process.
If we replace the monarchy then that power becomes up for grabs. That means, as it stands, Boris Johnson would be President and have a lot more power. Now of course we’d probably want something like an election to confirm it, but we saw how close Le Pen got in France. Allowing someone to have ultimate authority like that isn’t always a road to success. We only need to look further east for evidence.
So I say there is a power in having someone fill this powerful position but not letting them use that power. It stops anyone else from taking it.
So of we abolish the monarchy what plan do you have for that power? Who does it sit with?
Still more in favour of keeping the royal family than there are against. I suppose we could have a president instead, who would want a palace no doubt. The French president costs the French people more per person than our royal family cost us!
This is wishful thinking. Neither the Tories nor Labour want to do anything to abolish the monarchy so it won’t happen as things stand now.
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Pretty sure that when we finally have this conversation it won’t be her problem.
>The research suggested 27 percent wanted to abolish the monarchy compared with 60 percent in favor of keeping it.
should be good for a while. I hope it stays.
No republican will try and make a move before the queen dies it’s a loosing battle even after that the support for removing the monarchy is less then 30%
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I don’t think it’s true to say that the Queen has a huge problem.
Her children and grandchildren are another matter…
She’s fine – She is loved and respected.
Next in line isn’t though it seems.
What would the feeling be if Andrew, not Charles was the oldest?
The Queen and her scrounging work-averse wanker family *are* the problem
Put it to a referendum and put the notion that the public don’t want a monarchy to bed.
The spending and funding of the Royal Family is still opaque in 2022 which is unacceptable. I wonder how much of the remaining support is attributable to support for the Queen herself (who, despite loathing the Monarchy I think has done a good job and who is likeable). When Charles with his temper, petulance and arrogance ascends I think we will see the numbers who remain supporters rapidly reduce.
I think William suffers from many of his fathers unpleasant traits (despite having a more effective PR team around him) and similarly I expect this decline in support to continue when he takes over.
I don’t think I will see an end to the Monarchy in my lifetime, but I think my children will in theirs and the Country will be a better place for it. At a time when inequality is more in the spotlight than ever, and injustice based on being privileged solely due to what you were born as is being challenged, it is a shameful contradiction that we have people born in to a life of wealth at the top of society as we do.
Once the queen pegs it, I think the whole royal family and the UK’s governance structure needs looking at tbh.
Quite right too, high time this anachronistic nonsense was consigned to the dustbin of history.
How would we even kick them out?
That’s one thing I’ve never quite understood.
I appreciate that there is no longer any place for the Royals but the Queen is widely loved and a huge part of our culture.
When she passes and let’s be honest it won’t be long I’m sure there will be a conversation about having a referendum to remove them completely. There’s no appetite for Charles and Camilla. Maybe Wills and Kate would have a chance but I don’t believe Charles will give them the option.
Let’s just hope that the Queen lives to see her Jubilee celebrations this summer and that will probably be the end of it.
Typical Britain, we already got rid of the monarchy, invited them back again and now talking about getting rid of it again.
Does anyone know or have an idea how much they make the country vs how much they cost it? I’m not buying the whole thing that tourist come just to see them as the chances of a glimpse is few and far, so if anyone has a figure take that into consideration please.
She’s already like 97…I don’t think the monarchy getting abolished is really gonna be *her* problem
I was vaguely supportive of the Royal Family when I viewed them as a harmless bit of live history. They’re a curiosity, for better or worse they’re a real part of our history and for a relatively small overhead we can keep that history alive.
Similar to our old buildings and castles. Cost a few quid in upkeep but it’s part of how we got to where we are today. And sure, the Queen technically needs to give royal assent to stuff but never blocks it, so I didn’t view that as a real threat to democracy.
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Then we got the leak that the family had actively demanded changes in property laws that would benefit them, which is profoundly un-democratic and against the public interest. That crosses a real line from being a living monument into being dictatorial.
Then the Prince Andrew scandal, where he despicably hid behind his war veteran status to try and make people feel too awkward to probe into his sex offenses. That crosses the line from being a living monument into being a criminal who tries to leverage their status to make them above the law.
And the press treatment of Harry and Meghan is despicable, as is the attitude of much of the general public. A setup that involves the racially-motivated hounding of people who are trying to live good lives is wrong, and if they want out I’m all for it.
The Royal Family are meant to stand for tradition, honour and be a leading example of how we conduct ourselves; nothing about the constant Daily Mail / Piers Morgan shitstorm embodies that, so I think we should scrap it before someone else gets hurt.
​
I have a lot of empathy for the Queen, she’s been trapped in a gold-lined cage, stuck trying to satisfy this alienated and un-human image of a perfect monarch. No chance of a real life, a social life or pursuing her real dreams. I think she does deserve dignity and our thanks, even if we’re now keen to put an end to her role.
William and Harry seem ambivalent at best about carrying on the role, and I really think it’s too toxic and undemocratic to continue it. I think when the Queen dies, we should quit while we’re ahead, wind down the monarchy and close all the bullshit legal loopholes. Turn the Crown Estate over into a public asset and run it like we do the rest of our museums and monuments.
I like the queen more than half of parliament and I think she plays an important constitutional role. Imagine a rouge PM gets in and tries to drastically erode democracy as has happened in many other countries. In this case without a monarch the PM would have the absolute legal right to do this (assuming support from his/her party). I’d like to think the queen might have a problem giving royal assent to something such as this. If she tried to involve herself in politics further than this I would be completely against the monarch but as she hasn’t done so I think the status quo works quite nicely and is an important back up in the prevention of autocracy. We really don’t want to be the next Russia and if anyone is going to try and remove term limits etc I wouldn’t put it past Bojo
There’s a simple solution here and one that I’m sure the Tories can get on board with.
Privatise the monarchy. Stick a big ol’ Coca Cola advert on the side of the carriage. Prince Charles bought to you by Greggs.
[Every single law student and solicitor dreading the crunch of a constitutional review lasting years on top of the current systemic crunch generally] *Please, please just dont…*
Republic of the British Isles, with its political capital in Manchester or York.
That I would be happy with.
Even as symbols with no power, it’s worth retaining the monarchy. We have one of the oldest royal families still in existence, rooted in the early sixth century with the establishment of the kingdom of Wessex. The monarchy is one of the defining features of Britishness. Abolish that and you damage the British identity.
Is support for abolishing the monarchy rising or is this just another weekly episode of the sub finding an article that says “royals bad” and all circlejerking over it.
The article itself says support for the monarchy is ‘only’ at 60% and 27% for abolishing, and to no one’s surprise a republican activist group is the one saying that the Queen/Royal family have a huge problem… almost as if they are somewhat biased in saying that. Factoring in for lizardmans constant and that republican sentiment is most popular with the demographic that votes the least… I honestly think this is a nothingburger.
Every article about abolishing the monarchy is just going over the same old roads again and again. Nothing meaningful will change until Charles ascends the throne. And he’s already said he wants to downsize the family.
Can’t wait to replace the monarchy so we can complain bitterly about how unfair whatever replaced it is.
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She and the rest of the Royals can go F*** themselves
Paying 12million to silence someone because someone in your family likes them a bit young
Signing off on the recent law changes by the Tories which basically include, photo ID to vote, easier to privatize the NHS, banning noisy protests…we’re supposed to be living in a democracy…no such thing anymore.
I don’t care if you have certain rules or not, someone who has like 50+ rooms could house so many people fleeing war.
As much as I would dearly relish seeing this archaic relic of an institution abolished, I really don’t think it’s going to happen within my lifetime. The general voting public are gullible idiots and easily swayed by faux-patriotic bullshit.
Prince Andrew: *rapes a minor*
Royals: *defends him and pays his hush-hush money*
Public: Fuck the monarchy!
Royals: *Shocked Pikachu face*
In all honesty I think we should keep Liz until she passes on and then be done with it. I do not want to have King Charles and queen camilla 🤢
So I need to preface this with an obligatory not a monarchist. Whilst the Queen seems to have done a good job as an ambassador the rest of the monarchy seem horrible, and we all know why.
But here’s my question: what would you replace them with?
The setup in most countries is to have a head of government and a head of state. In some countries (USA) this is the same. In many others they are split into a Prime Minister and a President. For the UK we have the Queen as head of state.
This has some benefits. The role is ceremonial so she has no real power, and yet she holds some important positions like head of the army. And if our PM is naughty she can call him in to explain. There’s a lot of weight to that even if it is largely just perception. If nothing else he still has to ask for permission, even just as a ceremonial process.
If we replace the monarchy then that power becomes up for grabs. That means, as it stands, Boris Johnson would be President and have a lot more power. Now of course we’d probably want something like an election to confirm it, but we saw how close Le Pen got in France. Allowing someone to have ultimate authority like that isn’t always a road to success. We only need to look further east for evidence.
So I say there is a power in having someone fill this powerful position but not letting them use that power. It stops anyone else from taking it.
So of we abolish the monarchy what plan do you have for that power? Who does it sit with?
Still more in favour of keeping the royal family than there are against. I suppose we could have a president instead, who would want a palace no doubt. The French president costs the French people more per person than our royal family cost us!
This is wishful thinking. Neither the Tories nor Labour want to do anything to abolish the monarchy so it won’t happen as things stand now.