American Patriot Falters, Franco-Italian SAMP/T Shines — The Franco-Italian SAMP/T system is outperforming the Patriot system against Russian missiles in Ukraine

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  2. This isn’t surprising.
    I basically explained why Europe was looking at SAMP/T a while ago and there were many many people who insisted PATRIOT was the god king of defense. It isnt and never was. It has a very explicit job and within that realm it does extremely well. SAMP/T on the other hand isnt designed around an explicit job. It’s designed around modularity and expandability. The agnostic design of SAMP/T allows it to pivot to new threats and thus over time it becomes stronger.

    It is easier to avoid situations where the PATRIOT shines than it is to brute force the defense.

  3. Just FYI, several experts have come out and said this is categorically incorrect and likely not even possible.

    The SAMP/T radar is a generation behind the patriots.

  4. MAYBE AMERICA CAN LEARN SOMETHING FROM THE FRENCH!

  5. After reading up on available sources, I think the main difference is in the radar systems. SAMP/T radars can search/track the full 360 degrees, whereas Patriot can search a 90 degree arc and track a 120 degree arc. If you know the approximate position of a Patriot system you can program your missiles to fly a route that can evade its radar. Also SAMP/T claims to have a longer range than Patriot, which increases the chance of interception before the missile enters terminal homing. I may be wrong, but I’m willing to be educated by somebody more knowledgeable…

  6. SAMP/T appears to be a fine SAM system, but production rates are so low as to make it an almost meaningless system.

    France ordered 7 systems in 2024. They hope to receive the first one in 2 yrs. The delivery timeframes for both the system components and missiles are really lengthy.

    I think for Ukraine and Germany they would benefit from Diehl advancing quicker its planned hypersonic interceptor. IRIS/T can intercept everything other than ballistic missiles and because of investment its production rates have increased 4 fold for systems (8 a yr now) and it has been continuously upping its missile production rates including opening a new missile production facility recently.

  8. Ehhh patriot pac-3 has been the only thing shooting down ballistic missiles historically so this seems like a lofty claim. Is Ukraine out of pac-3s and using pac-2 only now?

    I’d be really interested in hearing about samp-t hitting ballistics because it has significantly shorter range both for the missile and for the radar. The speed and trajectory of ballistics makes it very hard to intercept them in those conditions because you have a window of literal seconds.

  10. Hey if that’s what it is, no skin off my back. Maybe Italy will be a little more forthcoming to supply the weapons

  11. The Patriot wasn’t really designed for how it is being used. Also, it’s never been that great. Thaad is much better but also billions.

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