As much as I think the guy is a tool, it does seem incredibly selective when it comes to who gets prosecuted and who doesn’t.
Calling someone a bike nonce online is a criminal offense? Wow ok.
Get stabbed in the face and have your case closed by text 48 hours later, call someone a bike nonce on social and get hauled before the crown court.
He’s a fucking dick but no chance he should be criminally punished for that.
That’s why defamation lawsuits exist, and why he’s already had to pay Vine £75k.
The police and the justice system have better things to do.
Just another example of why this country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world
Cue the reactionary howling in rage and despair that you can’t publicy call people pedophiles and be immune to consequences for doing so…
Suppose they can make space for him in prison, for the grave offense if being a cunt online, by accidentally releasing a few peados
What a ridiculous country we are
> “They are disgusting Nazi fascists … We need to cut all their throats and get rid of them all,” he said, running a finger across his throat.
Labour councillor Ricky Jones
> A British councillor was on Friday acquitted
Compared to
> Barton, 43, compared Aluko and Ward to the serial killer couple Fred and Rose West, and called Vine a “bike nonce”
> Former footballer Joey Barton has been found guilty of six counts of sending “grossly offensive” social media posts
Wow, a lot of people here would be fine if someone was publishing material on a regular basis claiming they were a child abuser. Personally I would want that shit shut down ASAP, especially if I was a well known public figure.
Barton is an odious little twat, however this should not be a crime
It’s technically malicious communication in the eyes of the law. Consistently painting someone as a nonce, while having a following and platform to do so, is criminal in our country. Soft foul, but still a foul.
He’s a 40+ year old millionaire trying to troll people on Twitter like a 12 year old incel on 4Chan.
What a sad, pathetic excuse for a man.
Like, log off twitter and enjoy your millions rather than trying to seek the validation of middle-aged ex-EDL members, you great top hat.
He didn’t just call him a ‘bike nonce’, did he. He went further, talking about schools and so on. Claiming you’re just referring to cycling stops making sense in that context and sounds like a genuine accusation – why else would you say it if not to try to associate someone with sex offenders? Walking back from it once you’re caught out is a cowardly Motte and Bailey tactic. Schrodinger’s prick.
Second, I wonder how many who have a problem with this agree with the statement ‘false accusers of rape should serve the same sentence as the person they accused’. I agree that false accusations ruin lives, and that’s exactly why he shouldn’t get away with it.
Defending free speech is like sewer repair.
Firstly it’s always disgusting and you have to defend a lot of pretty horrible things you don’t agree with.
Secondly you might want to ignore it, but things get shitty really fast when the sewers stop working.
I don’t care about people being offensive. Being offensive shouldn’t be against the law.
I do care about people endangering someone else’s safety and livelihood by baselessly accusing them of being a paedophile.
I’m so glad we live in a country where people are getting sent down for tweets but the policy can’t even be arsed to turn up for shopping, bike thefts, etc.
The guys a dickhead but what an absolute joke and waste of money that this stuff goes to court.
> Barton was cleared of writing that Ward and Aluko were the “Fred and Rose West of football commentary” after an FA Cup tie in January 2024 between Crystal Palace and Everton.
Fair. He’s an idiot. But saying that, while some may find offensive, shouldn’t be considered an offence to hurl an insult. That’s an opinion. I disagree with him. But that’s an opinion.
There’s separate laws for harassment.
> But the former Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers manager was convicted of a count relating to another post in which he superimposed their faces onto a photograph of the serial killers.
I didn’t know that was a crime though. That kinda seems to overstep the mark. Certainly on taste. But I’m also not sure if or how it is a crime on that. Malicious communications?
> He was also convicted over posts suggesting Vine had visited “Epstein island” – a reference to the paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein – and one saying: “If you see this fella by a primary school call 999.”
That is libel, and in addition to calling him a bike nonse (and then claming it was never intended to be serious) kinda contradicts everything else said.
Defamation is based on weather a statement is truthful, is it published and targetting someone, and has caused harm (usually reputational). There’s a defence of if you can prove it to be an opinion, but opinion is saying something like “I think he’s an idiot” not “he’s definitely a paedo”
Given how damaging it can be to be labelled a nonce, especially if innocent, that’s fair.
It isn’t the first time Jeremy Vine has had to deal with defamation either. Alex Belfield was jailed for doing the same which led to constant harassment. Consequently Vine labelled Belfield the “Jimmy Savile of trolling” which is along the lines of the same thing that Barton was cleared of.
Defamation on the otherhand carries harm.
Must be catching up with Tommy Ten names and Lozza Fox with all these cases
I might have missed the start of this story, why is it that Barton seemingly hates Vine? Did he just get up one day and think I’m going to throw unrelated accusations round because this guy rides a bike??
If I start shouting at someone in the street calling them a nonce, the police could nick me.
If I do that on the internet, why should it be any different?
Calling someone a nonce isn’t an exercise of free speech, it’s an accusation. And one that can be extremely damaging to an individual (if not true) and put them at risk of harm.
Lots of legal experts on this giving their 2p opinion on laws they dont understand.
People here clearly not understanding the law and acting like this is a new thing.
First they came for the people who called people bike nonces and I did nothing because I don’t call people a bike nonce.
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As much as I think the guy is a tool, it does seem incredibly selective when it comes to who gets prosecuted and who doesn’t.
Calling someone a bike nonce online is a criminal offense? Wow ok.
Get stabbed in the face and have your case closed by text 48 hours later, call someone a bike nonce on social and get hauled before the crown court.
He’s a fucking dick but no chance he should be criminally punished for that.
That’s why defamation lawsuits exist, and why he’s already had to pay Vine £75k.
The police and the justice system have better things to do.
Just another example of why this country is a laughing stock to the rest of the world
Cue the reactionary howling in rage and despair that you can’t publicy call people pedophiles and be immune to consequences for doing so…
Suppose they can make space for him in prison, for the grave offense if being a cunt online, by accidentally releasing a few peados
What a ridiculous country we are
> “They are disgusting Nazi fascists … We need to cut all their throats and get rid of them all,” he said, running a finger across his throat.
Labour councillor Ricky Jones
> A British councillor was on Friday acquitted
Compared to
> Barton, 43, compared Aluko and Ward to the serial killer couple Fred and Rose West, and called Vine a “bike nonce”
> Former footballer Joey Barton has been found guilty of six counts of sending “grossly offensive” social media posts
Wow, a lot of people here would be fine if someone was publishing material on a regular basis claiming they were a child abuser. Personally I would want that shit shut down ASAP, especially if I was a well known public figure.
Barton is an odious little twat, however this should not be a crime
It’s technically malicious communication in the eyes of the law. Consistently painting someone as a nonce, while having a following and platform to do so, is criminal in our country. Soft foul, but still a foul.
He’s a 40+ year old millionaire trying to troll people on Twitter like a 12 year old incel on 4Chan.
What a sad, pathetic excuse for a man.
Like, log off twitter and enjoy your millions rather than trying to seek the validation of middle-aged ex-EDL members, you great top hat.
He didn’t just call him a ‘bike nonce’, did he. He went further, talking about schools and so on. Claiming you’re just referring to cycling stops making sense in that context and sounds like a genuine accusation – why else would you say it if not to try to associate someone with sex offenders? Walking back from it once you’re caught out is a cowardly Motte and Bailey tactic. Schrodinger’s prick.
Second, I wonder how many who have a problem with this agree with the statement ‘false accusers of rape should serve the same sentence as the person they accused’. I agree that false accusations ruin lives, and that’s exactly why he shouldn’t get away with it.
Defending free speech is like sewer repair.
Firstly it’s always disgusting and you have to defend a lot of pretty horrible things you don’t agree with.
Secondly you might want to ignore it, but things get shitty really fast when the sewers stop working.
I don’t care about people being offensive. Being offensive shouldn’t be against the law.
I do care about people endangering someone else’s safety and livelihood by baselessly accusing them of being a paedophile.
I’m so glad we live in a country where people are getting sent down for tweets but the policy can’t even be arsed to turn up for shopping, bike thefts, etc.
The guys a dickhead but what an absolute joke and waste of money that this stuff goes to court.
> Barton was cleared of writing that Ward and Aluko were the “Fred and Rose West of football commentary” after an FA Cup tie in January 2024 between Crystal Palace and Everton.
Fair. He’s an idiot. But saying that, while some may find offensive, shouldn’t be considered an offence to hurl an insult. That’s an opinion. I disagree with him. But that’s an opinion.
There’s separate laws for harassment.
> But the former Fleetwood and Bristol Rovers manager was convicted of a count relating to another post in which he superimposed their faces onto a photograph of the serial killers.
I didn’t know that was a crime though. That kinda seems to overstep the mark. Certainly on taste. But I’m also not sure if or how it is a crime on that. Malicious communications?
> He was also convicted over posts suggesting Vine had visited “Epstein island” – a reference to the paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein – and one saying: “If you see this fella by a primary school call 999.”
That is libel, and in addition to calling him a bike nonse (and then claming it was never intended to be serious) kinda contradicts everything else said.
Defamation is based on weather a statement is truthful, is it published and targetting someone, and has caused harm (usually reputational). There’s a defence of if you can prove it to be an opinion, but opinion is saying something like “I think he’s an idiot” not “he’s definitely a paedo”
Given how damaging it can be to be labelled a nonce, especially if innocent, that’s fair.
It isn’t the first time Jeremy Vine has had to deal with defamation either. Alex Belfield was jailed for doing the same which led to constant harassment. Consequently Vine labelled Belfield the “Jimmy Savile of trolling” which is along the lines of the same thing that Barton was cleared of.
Defamation on the otherhand carries harm.
Must be catching up with Tommy Ten names and Lozza Fox with all these cases
I might have missed the start of this story, why is it that Barton seemingly hates Vine? Did he just get up one day and think I’m going to throw unrelated accusations round because this guy rides a bike??
If I start shouting at someone in the street calling them a nonce, the police could nick me.
If I do that on the internet, why should it be any different?
Calling someone a nonce isn’t an exercise of free speech, it’s an accusation. And one that can be extremely damaging to an individual (if not true) and put them at risk of harm.
Lots of legal experts on this giving their 2p opinion on laws they dont understand.
People here clearly not understanding the law and acting like this is a new thing.
First they came for the people who called people bike nonces and I did nothing because I don’t call people a bike nonce.
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