If Russia receives the big humiliation in the “first special operation, then war and endless excuses and lies made up by the Kremlin”, maybe some citizens (if they aren’t brainwashed to the point of no return) will start opening their eyes to the bullshit Putin has fed them for 20 years: Russia is not a great motherland, it’s a shithole gas station regime run by mobsters and insane old men where people are abused under propaganda lobotomy.
Muscovia/Russia is a shithole village metastasized into the empire of hell.
Do we really need an article to tell us why?
Fantastic piece. As a native Californian married to a Russian-born woman who is a Putin devotee, I witness firsthand your keen perception of how most Russians view the post-USSR era, even many who have lived in the USA for many years – especially the older ones (my wife is 65).
Russia needs to be humiliated period, not just in Ukraine.
Too little was learnt from the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Might not be popular here but there is always the possibility someone worse than Putin might take his place in the event of a great humiliation. That said, I fail to see how this has not been humiliating for Russia in any case.
This is an interesting article looking at the internal workings of Russia, but I would add another key reason. If they are not humiliated, if Russia has any sort of win, they will be back wanting more. It may be 5, 10 20 years, but Ukraine and others like Moldova wont be safe.
Russia needs to loose in the Ukraine. Thats all.
I dont see any added benefit in “humilating” a nation with 6.000 nuclear warheads.
*“Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.”*
*― Sun Tzu*
Last time we humiliated one nation, biggest war in history of humanity happened.
If Russia army get completely humiliated in Ukraine, is it possible that they use nuclear bomb as a last resort ?
I don’t think humiliation on a national level is at stake, here, simply because the propaganda machine will not allow it. already we see that the narrative in russia has shifted from “NATO is helping Ukraine with weapons” to “we are literally fighting NATO forces in Ukraine”. propagandists take great care to admit, sadly, that combined NATO might is greater than that of russia.
so being defeated by them is not some great humiliation – on the contrary, it’s evidence of the treacherous nature of the “west”, the necessity of this war and the prescience of the dear leader. alas, even with everything he did for us, we could not overcome the “nazified” western bloc.
it’s very similar to the situation with the US right and Q, for example. you can’t explain to these people that reality is different than what they choose to believe – the key word here being “choose”, because propaganda simply offers people an alternative reality; it’s up to them to choose to live in it.
Nonsense article, let’s poke the bear with a ridiculous nuclear arsenal, fucking hell the shit you read here. Russia needs to concede defeat, fuck off and fix their “democracy” alone, that’s enough.
Paywall. Can anyone paste the full text please?
I don’t know. I want Ukraine to win but at the same time the russian population seems so much jingoist, nationalist and supporting of the gov and the war that I feel like an humiliation would lead to russian revanchism over the futures decades.
Espacially if they lose Crimea and Dombass. I saw so many interviews with normal russians people saying it’s a good thing that Crimea got annexed/reunited that it would be a very hard to swallow pill.
Idk, I see everyone cheering for the humiliation of a nuclear and imperialist power but I’m very skeptical of the long term outcome
Massive protests in the U.S. against the Vietnam War humiliated a President, causing him to miscalculate and ended up out of office due to Watergate and other pressures. That war ended. Russians protesting enmasse would change the math for Putin and his “advisors”
You guys are all idiots
I am ever suspicious of pieces such at this which tell people what they most ardently want to believe. That fighting against Russia in Ukraine is not only beneficial for Ukraine, but also for Russia. Why, to hear this piece tell it there are no downsides at all, and winning this war is the same as disciplining an unruly teenager on a bad path, for their own good.
I cannot agree with this piece. The purpose of defeating Russia in Ukraine is to help Ukraine. Improving Russia itself is neither the purpose, nor an expected outcome. There are winners and losers, and the aim is to have Russia be the loser.
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If Russia receives the big humiliation in the “first special operation, then war and endless excuses and lies made up by the Kremlin”, maybe some citizens (if they aren’t brainwashed to the point of no return) will start opening their eyes to the bullshit Putin has fed them for 20 years: Russia is not a great motherland, it’s a shithole gas station regime run by mobsters and insane old men where people are abused under propaganda lobotomy.
Muscovia/Russia is a shithole village metastasized into the empire of hell.
Do we really need an article to tell us why?
Fantastic piece. As a native Californian married to a Russian-born woman who is a Putin devotee, I witness firsthand your keen perception of how most Russians view the post-USSR era, even many who have lived in the USA for many years – especially the older ones (my wife is 65).
Russia needs to be humiliated period, not just in Ukraine.
Too little was learnt from the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Might not be popular here but there is always the possibility someone worse than Putin might take his place in the event of a great humiliation. That said, I fail to see how this has not been humiliating for Russia in any case.
This is an interesting article looking at the internal workings of Russia, but I would add another key reason. If they are not humiliated, if Russia has any sort of win, they will be back wanting more. It may be 5, 10 20 years, but Ukraine and others like Moldova wont be safe.
Russia needs to loose in the Ukraine. Thats all.
I dont see any added benefit in “humilating” a nation with 6.000 nuclear warheads.
*“Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across.”*
*― Sun Tzu*
Last time we humiliated one nation, biggest war in history of humanity happened.
If Russia army get completely humiliated in Ukraine, is it possible that they use nuclear bomb as a last resort ?
I don’t think humiliation on a national level is at stake, here, simply because the propaganda machine will not allow it. already we see that the narrative in russia has shifted from “NATO is helping Ukraine with weapons” to “we are literally fighting NATO forces in Ukraine”. propagandists take great care to admit, sadly, that combined NATO might is greater than that of russia.
so being defeated by them is not some great humiliation – on the contrary, it’s evidence of the treacherous nature of the “west”, the necessity of this war and the prescience of the dear leader. alas, even with everything he did for us, we could not overcome the “nazified” western bloc.
it’s very similar to the situation with the US right and Q, for example. you can’t explain to these people that reality is different than what they choose to believe – the key word here being “choose”, because propaganda simply offers people an alternative reality; it’s up to them to choose to live in it.
Nonsense article, let’s poke the bear with a ridiculous nuclear arsenal, fucking hell the shit you read here. Russia needs to concede defeat, fuck off and fix their “democracy” alone, that’s enough.
Paywall. Can anyone paste the full text please?
I don’t know. I want Ukraine to win but at the same time the russian population seems so much jingoist, nationalist and supporting of the gov and the war that I feel like an humiliation would lead to russian revanchism over the futures decades.
Espacially if they lose Crimea and Dombass. I saw so many interviews with normal russians people saying it’s a good thing that Crimea got annexed/reunited that it would be a very hard to swallow pill.
Idk, I see everyone cheering for the humiliation of a nuclear and imperialist power but I’m very skeptical of the long term outcome
Massive protests in the U.S. against the Vietnam War humiliated a President, causing him to miscalculate and ended up out of office due to Watergate and other pressures. That war ended. Russians protesting enmasse would change the math for Putin and his “advisors”
You guys are all idiots
I am ever suspicious of pieces such at this which tell people what they most ardently want to believe. That fighting against Russia in Ukraine is not only beneficial for Ukraine, but also for Russia. Why, to hear this piece tell it there are no downsides at all, and winning this war is the same as disciplining an unruly teenager on a bad path, for their own good.
I cannot agree with this piece. The purpose of defeating Russia in Ukraine is to help Ukraine. Improving Russia itself is neither the purpose, nor an expected outcome. There are winners and losers, and the aim is to have Russia be the loser.