whether you like it or not, russia at some point will attack finland again. with or without NATO.
all excuses faded away once ukraine was invaded.
Are you the author?
The core idea of how the Finnish military is organized and funded is not to stop the invasion if Russia decided to attack. It is to make the attack so expensive that Russia wouldn’t do it mostly due to the financial risk of it.
As we now saw with Ukraine, it is not unreasonable to say that Russia doesn’t care about the losses and will still attack when it wants to thus making our strategy flawed.
On the other hand from a strategic perspective, Russia has considered Finland as a NATO ally for at least a decade now as our co-operation with NATO has been very intense over the years. Not a lot will change except Finland will have the protection of the fifth article.
Edit: I do think it’s important to voice the opposition too though
Note: /u/Lilyo is a sino poster (among other things). It’s a propaganda subreddit for the CCP. Anything he says will be a lie used to further Chinese interests. Check his posting history.
These opposition arguments seems to build on the same structure:
* Finland has been enjoying the fruits of neutrality (however they never provide any data that would support this)
* Finland needs good relations with Russia (because Russia is unpredictable, aggressive and hostile country that cannot be trusted)
* Joining NATO is a provocation (because defending a country is provoking to Russian imperialist policy)
* NATO supports US hegemony (which is much better than the alternatives. This also conveniently ignores the fact that NATO is a defensive pact and nothing else)
This article was actually much better than the usual articles. After reading the article I think the writer actually mostly provided arguments in support of joining NATO. She pointed out how NATO is a flawed construction but Finland and Sweden joining would make it better rather than worse. It kinda seems weird, to me the article reads that she would conclude with how she begrudgingly supports Finland joining NATO.
However, there are some fairly weak points. Main one is the nuclear question. Finland joining NATO does not increase nuclear power in any way. So that argument is irrelevant. There is no requirement to host nuclear weapons and to even suggest this is extremely ignorant on Finnish politics. There is 0 chance that Finland would agree to host nuclear weapons.
OP has posted this same article into 3 other antiwar subs an hour ago from when I commented at the same time. Also a reminder that multiple antiwar organizations were funded by the Soviet Union in the west during the Cold War, calling for disarming of the west, but for some reason not resisting the USSR and now Russia doing it. He also participates in multiple socialist subreddits. What could all of this possibly mean? Why can’t you just leave us finns alone? We just want to live in peace.
Op clearly isnt even from finland nor finnish person. Good try tho.
u/lilyo
You only post a link to an article, without any intention to discuss the matter, huh?
Please, leave this sub and take your misery elsewhere if you are not really interested in us Finns. You have no place here if you are just trying to push your own “personal” agenda.
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whether you like it or not, russia at some point will attack finland again. with or without NATO.
all excuses faded away once ukraine was invaded.
Are you the author?
The core idea of how the Finnish military is organized and funded is not to stop the invasion if Russia decided to attack. It is to make the attack so expensive that Russia wouldn’t do it mostly due to the financial risk of it.
As we now saw with Ukraine, it is not unreasonable to say that Russia doesn’t care about the losses and will still attack when it wants to thus making our strategy flawed.
On the other hand from a strategic perspective, Russia has considered Finland as a NATO ally for at least a decade now as our co-operation with NATO has been very intense over the years. Not a lot will change except Finland will have the protection of the fifth article.
Edit: I do think it’s important to voice the opposition too though
Note: /u/Lilyo is a sino poster (among other things). It’s a propaganda subreddit for the CCP. Anything he says will be a lie used to further Chinese interests. Check his posting history.
These opposition arguments seems to build on the same structure:
* Finland has been enjoying the fruits of neutrality (however they never provide any data that would support this)
* Finland needs good relations with Russia (because Russia is unpredictable, aggressive and hostile country that cannot be trusted)
* Joining NATO is a provocation (because defending a country is provoking to Russian imperialist policy)
* NATO supports US hegemony (which is much better than the alternatives. This also conveniently ignores the fact that NATO is a defensive pact and nothing else)
This article was actually much better than the usual articles. After reading the article I think the writer actually mostly provided arguments in support of joining NATO. She pointed out how NATO is a flawed construction but Finland and Sweden joining would make it better rather than worse. It kinda seems weird, to me the article reads that she would conclude with how she begrudgingly supports Finland joining NATO.
However, there are some fairly weak points. Main one is the nuclear question. Finland joining NATO does not increase nuclear power in any way. So that argument is irrelevant. There is no requirement to host nuclear weapons and to even suggest this is extremely ignorant on Finnish politics. There is 0 chance that Finland would agree to host nuclear weapons.
OP has posted this same article into 3 other antiwar subs an hour ago from when I commented at the same time. Also a reminder that multiple antiwar organizations were funded by the Soviet Union in the west during the Cold War, calling for disarming of the west, but for some reason not resisting the USSR and now Russia doing it. He also participates in multiple socialist subreddits. What could all of this possibly mean? Why can’t you just leave us finns alone? We just want to live in peace.
Op clearly isnt even from finland nor finnish person. Good try tho.
u/lilyo
You only post a link to an article, without any intention to discuss the matter, huh?
Please, leave this sub and take your misery elsewhere if you are not really interested in us Finns. You have no place here if you are just trying to push your own “personal” agenda.