Interesting, since even if we have had all those years of SDP prime ministers, we still don’t have _any_ minimum wage in legislation.
I don’t want to start estimating the correct level of it, but for once this is something I fully agree with the Left Alliance – we should have a clear minimum wage defined, that would be the first result when you google it.
This is needed for the people who have gotten their first job, are doing only part time work on and off, or are migrant workers.
Not happening, the unions would never allow it.
Hm. Unions should handle that but it would be useful to rein in companies like Wolt, etc other non-unionized work.
This could be a mistake, if we end up with a situation where conpanies keep paying minimum wage and that never gets updated.
Like it should be.
That would be nice. 15€ per hour, a dream.
They should focus on empowering the unions instead…
Every union has different minimum, so it really needs to be the 15€/h, but other hand some places you never get to 15€/h even after working for decades.
Hell mine is only going to be 15,25€/h after all experience increments.
So are we about to destroy Finnish market even further? Nice
If anybody wants comparision, we belgians have a minimum wage of just under 13 euro/h but it is not stated in law but by work sector.
I was confused why there are suddenly a few more political posts here than usual. Then i remembered elections are soon. I guess the time for empty promises and gathering voters has come
Anyone who thinks that a general 15€/h minimum wage is good should look how much the minimum wage currently is on the bottom tier paying jobs. Because the more you pay your workers the more you have to bill the customer. How does lets say 25% increase in cleaning costs sound? 40% increase in cost for factory labour, stuff like packing food. It all will be paid by you in the end.
I would rather have the people getting paid, and as an extension the unions that represent them, determining the salary they receive.
There’s no reason to involve parties that don’t need to be, changing it in the future would be nearly impossible as it would rely on the government to make the change, and it would set a precedent to allow for non-union workers to undercut union labor if the national minimum wage is below the union minimum wage.
Peaceful union strikes on companies have been shown to work, but when has a peaceful protest against the government done anything
I’ve lived and worked in a country with a minimum wage, and here in Finland… minimum wage is a trap – it will undoubtedly be used to push wages down and reduce the role of and membership in unions and minimum wage is never enough to survive. Slippery slope, I would say a better route would be to unionize non union work like wolt drivers. I cannot stress enough the role unions play in restraining capitalism from simply gutting worker rights in the name of the bottom line.
As a foreign worker here the current system is a bit confusing for me. I work in kitchens and your minimum wage seems to be determined by training and experience (absolutely fair enough) but when I got my first kitchen job my employer told me that minimum wage for someone with no qualifications and no experience is €9.50 an hour.
I don’t care what the logic is, its impossible to live on €9.50 an hour and while that employer volentarily paid me more than minimum and I got a bump after 6 months work I still don’t know what my entitlements are. My employer could tell me anything and the system is so confusing I wouldn’t know enough to correct him. Now my employer seems decent and does everything “by the book” (his words), so I don’t believe he’s taking advantage of me, it seems like the system is ripe for exploitation of immigrants coming to finland who are in a worse situation than me and have less of a support network than I do.
I’m not sure a state mandated minimum wage would fix these issues and 15 euro does seem high just being able to google “what is minimum wage in Finland” and getting a definite answer would allow foreign workers to be much better informed.
This is just a wishful thinking
20 minimum.
Wayyy too high, I currently earn 12.81/h as a cashier, which is quite enough for me for a job with no education requirements, 15/h would likely decrease available workplaces and working hours, hike prices and reduce store open times and locations.
This hurts middle class the most. In a free market, prices will increase the next day. Drastic minimum wage increase can be quite bad as it will create a chaotic situation.
Local companies will pass the cost to consumer.
International companies will find it more difficult to be competitive employing locally, so this will hasten their moving manufacturing jobs abroad. Less jobs, more dead towns.
Government probably needs to pay many of its workers more so more public spending.
I can understand if people with minimum wage cannot survive today, so this will help immediately lifting them above the bare minimum.
But I don’t think it’s the case, yet.
Maybe they could have proposed a more reasonable starting minimum wage, that could be revised annually to catch up with real needs. Just like many other countries.
This means more unemployed people.
De facto minimum salary should be 3€/h and social benefits should be half of that.
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Interesting, since even if we have had all those years of SDP prime ministers, we still don’t have _any_ minimum wage in legislation.
I don’t want to start estimating the correct level of it, but for once this is something I fully agree with the Left Alliance – we should have a clear minimum wage defined, that would be the first result when you google it.
This is needed for the people who have gotten their first job, are doing only part time work on and off, or are migrant workers.
Not happening, the unions would never allow it.
Hm. Unions should handle that but it would be useful to rein in companies like Wolt, etc other non-unionized work.
This could be a mistake, if we end up with a situation where conpanies keep paying minimum wage and that never gets updated.
Like it should be.
That would be nice. 15€ per hour, a dream.
They should focus on empowering the unions instead…
Every union has different minimum, so it really needs to be the 15€/h, but other hand some places you never get to 15€/h even after working for decades.
Hell mine is only going to be 15,25€/h after all experience increments.
So are we about to destroy Finnish market even further? Nice
If anybody wants comparision, we belgians have a minimum wage of just under 13 euro/h but it is not stated in law but by work sector.
I was confused why there are suddenly a few more political posts here than usual. Then i remembered elections are soon. I guess the time for empty promises and gathering voters has come
Anyone who thinks that a general 15€/h minimum wage is good should look how much the minimum wage currently is on the bottom tier paying jobs. Because the more you pay your workers the more you have to bill the customer. How does lets say 25% increase in cleaning costs sound? 40% increase in cost for factory labour, stuff like packing food. It all will be paid by you in the end.
I would rather have the people getting paid, and as an extension the unions that represent them, determining the salary they receive.
There’s no reason to involve parties that don’t need to be, changing it in the future would be nearly impossible as it would rely on the government to make the change, and it would set a precedent to allow for non-union workers to undercut union labor if the national minimum wage is below the union minimum wage.
Peaceful union strikes on companies have been shown to work, but when has a peaceful protest against the government done anything
I’ve lived and worked in a country with a minimum wage, and here in Finland… minimum wage is a trap – it will undoubtedly be used to push wages down and reduce the role of and membership in unions and minimum wage is never enough to survive. Slippery slope, I would say a better route would be to unionize non union work like wolt drivers. I cannot stress enough the role unions play in restraining capitalism from simply gutting worker rights in the name of the bottom line.
As a foreign worker here the current system is a bit confusing for me. I work in kitchens and your minimum wage seems to be determined by training and experience (absolutely fair enough) but when I got my first kitchen job my employer told me that minimum wage for someone with no qualifications and no experience is €9.50 an hour.
I don’t care what the logic is, its impossible to live on €9.50 an hour and while that employer volentarily paid me more than minimum and I got a bump after 6 months work I still don’t know what my entitlements are. My employer could tell me anything and the system is so confusing I wouldn’t know enough to correct him. Now my employer seems decent and does everything “by the book” (his words), so I don’t believe he’s taking advantage of me, it seems like the system is ripe for exploitation of immigrants coming to finland who are in a worse situation than me and have less of a support network than I do.
I’m not sure a state mandated minimum wage would fix these issues and 15 euro does seem high just being able to google “what is minimum wage in Finland” and getting a definite answer would allow foreign workers to be much better informed.
This is just a wishful thinking
20 minimum.
Wayyy too high, I currently earn 12.81/h as a cashier, which is quite enough for me for a job with no education requirements, 15/h would likely decrease available workplaces and working hours, hike prices and reduce store open times and locations.
This hurts middle class the most. In a free market, prices will increase the next day. Drastic minimum wage increase can be quite bad as it will create a chaotic situation.
Local companies will pass the cost to consumer.
International companies will find it more difficult to be competitive employing locally, so this will hasten their moving manufacturing jobs abroad. Less jobs, more dead towns.
Government probably needs to pay many of its workers more so more public spending.
I can understand if people with minimum wage cannot survive today, so this will help immediately lifting them above the bare minimum.
But I don’t think it’s the case, yet.
Maybe they could have proposed a more reasonable starting minimum wage, that could be revised annually to catch up with real needs. Just like many other countries.
This means more unemployed people.
De facto minimum salary should be 3€/h and social benefits should be half of that.
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