What are Putin’s Ultimate Demands for Peace in Ukraine?

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1. The Trump Administration has claimed that it’s nearing a deal to end the war in Ukraine, but the conflict’s essential impasse still holds: Moscow won’t accept what Kyiv can stomach. “It’s not that Putin wants war,” a fellow at the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center said. “He’d be happy to negotiate. He’s been trying to signal this to Trump all along.” It just has to be entirely on his terms.

2. Russia will never stop demanding that they get to keep the land they’ve stolen. They are desperate to legitimize it.

   That joke of a “peace plan” from the US was a russian wish list. It’s not Ukraine who should demilitarize, it’s the invader russia who should.

3. What’s this question?
   Putin *always* demanded peace for Ukraine.
   ‘How’ you may ask.
   By making it a part of Russia and destroy everything else.
   And *that’s* the issue.
   Their ‘peace’, and whatever they spin around it, *is* the issue.
   And the US thinks that’s ok too.
   Thus that simply adds to the pile of issues.

4. Putin’s Geopolitical world has no boundaries and the lack of success Russia has had says that he has already lost the war, The president of Finland had it right when he said the winner is the last man standing

5. Putin needs a win to save himself. If he lets up, his days are numbered. Its like Lyndon Johnson: his only options are jail or the presidency

6. >What are Putin’s Ultimate Demands for Peace in Ukraine?

   Ukraine itself.

7. People keep talking like a peace deal is “close,” but Russia’s basic demand is still a Ukraine that can’t defend itself, and Ukraine’s basic demand is the ability to defend itself. Those are opposites. Putin wants a vassal state; Kyiv wants security guarantees so it won’t become one. That gap hasn’t budged in four years, which is why every claim of “progress” is just political noise, not reality.

8. If you think this war is about territory and Russia’s security, none of this makes any sense. If you think this war is about Russia wanting to exterminate any semblance of an independent Ukrainian identity that could challenge Russia’s claim of total ownership of Kievan Rus heritage, it makes total sense.

9. This is not about Ukraine really, it’s about Russia’s oligarchs desperately trying to not die or get killed, I think it’s pretty clear President Putin is not a subtle guy from rape gangs, and setting murderers free as a modern day Joy Divisions; I figure nothing less than the bleached skulls of everyone in the Ukrainians Parliament in Red Square in Irredenta Pagoda with Vladimir Zelnenskyy first among them.

   As far as territorial concessions in Ukraine, I’m sure Putin wants *all of it ,* under a new Soviet satellite with a local dictator like the Kadyrov’s Chechnya purging anyone who even looks Ukrainian and with billions in raw materials trying to keep his oligarch buddies fat and happy, and with the total-reoccupation of Ukraine perhaps some spiffy new roads that can put 200,000 troops from Nekhoteevka , Russia to Starovoitove, Ukraine and Poland in 15 hours or less.

   Of course basically the only people who think that’s a good idea in the west can be presumed to be compromised and to be Vladimir Putin’s pocket in some which way, as it’s a treacherous notions to the safety and stability of Eurasia.

   President Putin’s removal from office, however rapidly, and under whatever circumstances this happens, however will be one of the most important milestone in Russian history, probably in the last 30 years. Gaming that out and ensuring NATO and other major nation-states have a game plan for the post-Putin Russian geopolitical situation cannot be understated.

   In the light of the real problems Russia has, they desperately wish it was 1985 again, and pretend super-hard that NATO was a threat and that the Soviet Union never broke up or like some defective Russian version of the Blues Brothers the Red Army is goin to swing in and “get the band back together”, Hoping that the United States was their dearest enemy, the devious boyscout from 8 time-zones away that doesn’t want anything you wouldn’t be happy with anyway.

   But it’s 2025 , not 1985 so with China’s GDP growing by leaps and bounds over the last 30 years while Russia floundered, Chinese interests in the eastern 2/3rds of Russia might be a much bigger threat and at best it’s crystal clear that the Chinese might be very, very happy to treat Russia as a resource vassal for the next 100 years, with 6 time-zones of resources , it’s very clear that Russia can only be China’s slave-state for the foreseeable future.

   Perhaps Moscow, and St. Petersburg and western Russia can simply give up everything east of the Urals and Chairman Xi’s successors will not glass over Moscow as a reminder of total Chinese superiority in absolutely everything Russia cares about. In that way – very sadly , Russia is something we haven’t seen, a dead state – not a broken state like Eritrea or Yemen, nor some hyper-capitalist over-hang with some looming demographic problem like most other industrialized western nations (China included) with it’s own serious 4-2-1 population problem. Russia doesn’t have anything like the population to maintain itself , and there is nothing to suggest Vladimir Putin could ever force those few Russians that are in their early 20’s to suddenly go from a war-footing to banging out 4-6 kids per family to save their economy in 30 years. Russia’s just not built for that.

   At the end of the day – it’s really sad, trillions of Rubles in the hands of a few thousand Russians and the rest of the Russian population left to fight over the scraps that at present constitute a total economic powerhouse smaller than the US State of Illinois spread over 150 million citizens. I suspect there’s been enough fuckery for most (if not all) the members of the FSB/KGB and the oligarchy – Russians will have to solve their Putin problem before winter because otherwise it’s increasingly likely Russian people will just end up starving and how much of that is going to be acceptable.

   The fascinating question Russia presents is what happens when the oligarchs have successfully taken everything from everyone , what exactly happens to a society afterwards.

   It’s exactly what’s happening in the United States in a perverse American way but America is not Russia and there is always that absurdist chance , which has happened before, that the Americans might pull something like survival from the jaws of destruction. Here’s hoping the Russians share a little of that luck when they get to the business of throwing off their oligarchs.

10. Belarusization. It’s the only acceptable outcome for Russia, now that they wasted so many political, human and material resources in this disastrous war.
    This war will not end until either Russia completely submits Ukraine (won’t happen) or until Putin dies or is ousted from power (because his successor won’t have this war under his name and will be able to look for an honourable peace without destroying his political career)

11. Who cares what Putin’s demands are?

    What are Ukraine’s demands? They can keep destroying billions of dollars of Russian Oil and Natural Gas infrastructure until Russia’s economy collapses.

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