There was a divisive post in this subreddit with lithuania and poland and I want to remind that Poland and Lithuania is cooperating in a meaningful manner to achieve common goals in defense, economy and politics and that a certain someone might not like that. I can elaborate more in comments.
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Why would someone hate Poland, I love Poland!
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As someone Polish the problem is the way history is taught at school and also the books of Sienkiewicz that were written to cheer Polish people up after losing independence- PLC is idealised but yes it was too corrupt with liberum veto making it even more corrupt. Too many people in Poland believe they are descendants of the nobility, truth is most of us are descendants of peasants – those had hardly any rights and Napoleon even stated that ‘slavery is abolished’ in the 1807 Duchy of Warsaw Constitution, the plight of our ancestors was even described by Adam Smith (we were called one of the most beggarly countries in Europe who failed to improve the life of its inhabitants due to the feudal system, not just the constant wars), this won’t get a mention in a Polish history book. Similarly our school system will fail to teach about the perspectives of other nations/ethnic groups in PLC.
wow, someone took meme too far
Just as modern Ukraine, Belarus and Poland, Lithuania has been annexed by the Russian Empire during the Partitions of Poland, then after WWII was effectively under Soviet occupation for fifty years. More than enough time for russification and then Soviet propaganda to take hold.
PLC was a superpower of its’ time, yes, but it’s also true that its’ government eventually descended into corruption – centuries after Jagiełło, so hardly his fault in any way, shape or form.
I don’t think anyone in Poland denies the PLC being corrupt at the time
Yeah, the corruption of szlachta and veto were trully shitty things.
Don’t blame me. I only ask question and I ‘m more than happy with answere thay you don’t hate us. 🥰
No one is denying PLC had problems but looking at it and ignoring all good things that came out of it makes even less sense than ignoring the bad. PLC was a great state and concept that, like many things in history, worked very well for a time and then stopped working. Learning history beyond some basic phrases like “the veto” is encouraged, they’d learn that viewing these faults as permeating the PLC from start to finish is a mistake, rooted in national narratives and not reality. The Roman empire didn’t start with all of it’s problems, some disappeared and some appeared over the years, and the same applies to PLC.
Historical grudges does not equate to hate. There’s problems with polish minority in Lithuania and that skews the perspective to a bit of a negative side but overall Poland is <3.
Also, PiS sucks a bit but we can’t abandon our friendship. So while I’m not too happy that our government tries to please yours at this time, it’s necessary to maintain and foster these relations.
This is effect of teaching in school about history only from polish perspective
Bolesław was good cause he was”strong and conquered much land”, union was good because”poland strong” and of course we treated everyone good
Any rebellions were created by bad bandits which tried to bite hand which given them food.
And after it- shock because not all people look at history as we.
I could add more examples, but I don’t see any reason.
I think considering PL-LT relations Poles too often reffer to PLC while forgetting about more recent event – Żeligowski Mutiny which was just sneaky way to catch Vilnius for ourselves without Nations League interfering.
It created hosile relations between those two newly reborn nations and I think this is the moment that created all the animosy between Lithuanians and Poles that traces partially even to this day.
This sub is the target if Russian propaganda, usually to encourage conflict between Poland and its neighbors.