That should be your signal to reactivate Metro West and start planning several other metro lines too.
Remote working and more hybrid working needs to be brought back
If only there was this thing we could do, like work from home… But it’s such a shame such a thing can’t be done.
This is also why we needed the 2:1 ratio of PT to car spending.
We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas.
They could go after the behaviours that cause the tail backs. We know what they are, middle lane hogging, last second exits, lane switchers and so on. The technology is there, the cameras are there, just need to utilise the data and go after the behaviours.
Urban sprawl is huge issue. Not building up in sky enough within the m50. Out by docklands we should have been building 30+ stories. There isn’t actually that many historic buildings of genuine note in city centre worth protecting
So it’s not fit for purpose but still one of the most expensive tolls per kilometer, and increases every few years, the initial cost of it gets collected in tolls every year. Guess they could build two Metro’s to a similar model and ~rape~ reep the rewards for years to come.
Roads are the only thing we can build in this country so I think we should bite the bullet and go full US. The only thing that will work is making the place like Atlanta or like Houston. Just endless ring roads and embrace the sprawl. Of course it’s terrible for the environment but what we have isn’t sustainable either…
There’s nothing they can do to reduce congestion outside of removing commuters. Developing mass transit is the only way congestion will ever be reduced. Though another option is wider adoption of WFH, hybrid working, and staggered starting shifts (including for schools), which would show immediate results.
How much traffic is Dublin Airport adding… build a highspeed mono rail up the centre of the m50 to the Airport with big park and ride car parks well outside the M50
Driver behaviour is a massive issue on the m50.
I saw some muppet merging onto the m50 while texting causing other cars to brake, causing an accordion effect. Like that’s a mental thing to do.
Another car weaving left and right in the middle lane as they texted meant other cars held back from overtaking.
Can’t understand why there isn’t a big crackdown on phone use as it’s so easy to do. The State would make a fortune in fines along with the deterrent factor.
Every morning, multiple wankers sit in the over taking lane for the entirety of thier journey going 20kmh under the speed limit, seemingly absolutely oblivious to the effect they are having on everyone behind them. Until we learn how to properly drive on a motorway we are at nothing.
“We’ve done all we feel like doing” you mean.
I think put eFlow cameras at every on and off ramp and toll the entire thing – have all drivers pay based on the distance they’ve driven, not just those driving between exits 6 and 7 as it is now.
It won’t force cars off it but it will force those who *could* use other roads or means to make their journey to consider doing so. And the income could be ring fenced for a Metro West and other cross-city public transport links.
That’s what happens when you build nothing but roads for 50 years
Until there is better public transport, there needs to be less cars on the road. The fastest way to do that is to push for more hybrid and fully remote work for people who don’t need to really be sitting in the office to placate upper management.
We also need investment in towns outside of Dublin so that work can be more local and there is less need for commuting.
Rip it up. Put a high speed rail line down it
Urban sprawl, build highrise in city centres. New train lines absolutely everywhere. Forget the roads. Continued remote and hybrid working. Flexible working hours to stagger traffic. Get kids walking and cycling to school where it is safe to do so.
It’s the very same story in cork, absolute mayhem on the roads. But the roads are fine and built as best they can be, there’s simply too many cars out there.
Reading this thread there are so many possible solutions to explore but not a single one of them is being considered. Increasing the height limit on buildings, building pubic transport, build an underground (a little ambitious), work from home.
What we’re going to get is more traffic, NIMBYism and a minor tax relief before the next election.
OK so now it’s the job of the guards. Lane discipline is non-existent, there’s constantly cars on vehicles weaving left and right from lane to lane.
Also people who seem to just want to put the foot down and then jump on the brakes, which makes smooth flow impossible, some people are constantly camping in the middle and right hand lanes.
They’re ticketing people for lane hogging in the UK they should just do it here, make some money. Put cameras on yellow boxes seeing people just mindlessly drive into the yellow boxes all the time for no reason.
‘Be grand sure’.. shitty, entitled attitude to everything already. Enforce the law!
Tried nothing and out of ideas.
M50 and other roads could move a lot faster if drones issued fines to drivers jamming on because they are distracted, the sudden jamming on of the breaks by one driver causes most of the tail backs.
Limit lorry’s to the left lane.
Put an extra lane in towards Bray.
Hammer anyone with fines doing less than 97 in the right most overtaking lane.
Hammer anyone with fines who don’t move left when they are not overtaking.
3 fines and you should have to resit your driving test.
Every major capital has teams of rescue vehicles waiting on their ring roads. Every crash seems to take hours to clear here. And crashes are daily.
One part of the issue is PEOPLE BEING ON THEIR FUCKING PHONES and not paying attention.
Plus the standard of driving in the country has gotten even worse.
Add that public transport is the pits and forcing people back into the office when they could essentially WFH!
Our inwards migration is 7x the eu average , we have completely lost control over inwards migration.
The population boom needs to be addressed.
Almost like we should probably put priority on frequency and scalable public transport infrastructure for the long term rather than add more lanes like it’s an American high way
Don’t forget Navan Rail has been pushed out by another year.
Plenty of drivers need a reminder of the rules of driving on motorways. A zero cost improvement would be to periodically cycle through some of those rules on the existing LED signage.
Enforcement needs to not be so reliant on Gardaí patrolling the road, not getting stuck in that traffic, spotting something and giving enough of a shit about it to penalise people. Non speeding offences need a major crackdown, especially distracted driving.
They’re right that extra lanes won’t help – that would just induce extra demand. The only thing that’ll truly solve it is less people using the road. That means far more ambitious public transport in tandem disincentives to drive on the M50 (like tolling the entire route).
I feel that upgrading cross-country national roads (the likes of the N52 and N62) would help reduce the amount of traffic on the M50, a lot of them are currently terrible and not fit for purpose. Wouldn’t say they need to be full motorway, good quality single carriageway with town bypasses would probably be sufficient for most of them.
Of course, we also need far more rail, metro and tram lines serving the Dublin area. Metro West and the Navan rail line need to come back, and we should probably start planning a Liffey Valley Luas/metro line.
If this problem didn’t exist during lockdown then they have their answer.
There needs to be an outer-ring from the M7 linking to the M1. Bit ridiculous that if you’re coming up the M7 you need to go onto the M50 to N4/N2/N2/M1
Let’s not hear anymore talk of civil servants going back to the office for a few years. I sympathise with people who have to make the journey but unless you want that journey to be far worse by adding all those cars back on road let’s agree to leave them be. And I’m not a civil servant btw.
Also the M50 traffic noticeably improves during the school breaks so that’s a big factor that needs to be looked at. Be it school buses or changing school start times I don’t know but surely that could be looked at.
Also pie in the sky but perhaps a free bus that stops at key points along the M50 could be looked at? If it stopped at pedestrian accessible points along the route near Blanch, Sandyford and the industrial estates I’m sure some would forgo paying the toll and sitting on the driving seat to be able to relax and look at their phones.
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That should be your signal to reactivate Metro West and start planning several other metro lines too.
Remote working and more hybrid working needs to be brought back
If only there was this thing we could do, like work from home… But it’s such a shame such a thing can’t be done.
This is also why we needed the 2:1 ratio of PT to car spending.
We’ve done nothing and we’re all out of ideas.
They could go after the behaviours that cause the tail backs. We know what they are, middle lane hogging, last second exits, lane switchers and so on. The technology is there, the cameras are there, just need to utilise the data and go after the behaviours.
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Urban sprawl is huge issue. Not building up in sky enough within the m50. Out by docklands we should have been building 30+ stories. There isn’t actually that many historic buildings of genuine note in city centre worth protecting
So it’s not fit for purpose but still one of the most expensive tolls per kilometer, and increases every few years, the initial cost of it gets collected in tolls every year. Guess they could build two Metro’s to a similar model and ~rape~ reep the rewards for years to come.
Roads are the only thing we can build in this country so I think we should bite the bullet and go full US. The only thing that will work is making the place like Atlanta or like Houston. Just endless ring roads and embrace the sprawl. Of course it’s terrible for the environment but what we have isn’t sustainable either…
There’s nothing they can do to reduce congestion outside of removing commuters. Developing mass transit is the only way congestion will ever be reduced. Though another option is wider adoption of WFH, hybrid working, and staggered starting shifts (including for schools), which would show immediate results.
How much traffic is Dublin Airport adding… build a highspeed mono rail up the centre of the m50 to the Airport with big park and ride car parks well outside the M50
Driver behaviour is a massive issue on the m50.
I saw some muppet merging onto the m50 while texting causing other cars to brake, causing an accordion effect. Like that’s a mental thing to do.
Another car weaving left and right in the middle lane as they texted meant other cars held back from overtaking.
Can’t understand why there isn’t a big crackdown on phone use as it’s so easy to do. The State would make a fortune in fines along with the deterrent factor.
Every morning, multiple wankers sit in the over taking lane for the entirety of thier journey going 20kmh under the speed limit, seemingly absolutely oblivious to the effect they are having on everyone behind them. Until we learn how to properly drive on a motorway we are at nothing.
“We’ve done all we feel like doing” you mean.
I think put eFlow cameras at every on and off ramp and toll the entire thing – have all drivers pay based on the distance they’ve driven, not just those driving between exits 6 and 7 as it is now.
It won’t force cars off it but it will force those who *could* use other roads or means to make their journey to consider doing so. And the income could be ring fenced for a Metro West and other cross-city public transport links.
That’s what happens when you build nothing but roads for 50 years
Until there is better public transport, there needs to be less cars on the road. The fastest way to do that is to push for more hybrid and fully remote work for people who don’t need to really be sitting in the office to placate upper management.
We also need investment in towns outside of Dublin so that work can be more local and there is less need for commuting.
Rip it up. Put a high speed rail line down it
Urban sprawl, build highrise in city centres. New train lines absolutely everywhere. Forget the roads. Continued remote and hybrid working. Flexible working hours to stagger traffic. Get kids walking and cycling to school where it is safe to do so.
It’s the very same story in cork, absolute mayhem on the roads. But the roads are fine and built as best they can be, there’s simply too many cars out there.
Reading this thread there are so many possible solutions to explore but not a single one of them is being considered. Increasing the height limit on buildings, building pubic transport, build an underground (a little ambitious), work from home.
What we’re going to get is more traffic, NIMBYism and a minor tax relief before the next election.
OK so now it’s the job of the guards. Lane discipline is non-existent, there’s constantly cars on vehicles weaving left and right from lane to lane.
Also people who seem to just want to put the foot down and then jump on the brakes, which makes smooth flow impossible, some people are constantly camping in the middle and right hand lanes.
They’re ticketing people for lane hogging in the UK they should just do it here, make some money. Put cameras on yellow boxes seeing people just mindlessly drive into the yellow boxes all the time for no reason.
‘Be grand sure’.. shitty, entitled attitude to everything already. Enforce the law!
Tried nothing and out of ideas.
M50 and other roads could move a lot faster if drones issued fines to drivers jamming on because they are distracted, the sudden jamming on of the breaks by one driver causes most of the tail backs.
Limit lorry’s to the left lane.
Put an extra lane in towards Bray.
Hammer anyone with fines doing less than 97 in the right most overtaking lane.
Hammer anyone with fines who don’t move left when they are not overtaking.
3 fines and you should have to resit your driving test.
Every major capital has teams of rescue vehicles waiting on their ring roads. Every crash seems to take hours to clear here. And crashes are daily.
One part of the issue is PEOPLE BEING ON THEIR FUCKING PHONES and not paying attention.
Plus the standard of driving in the country has gotten even worse.
Add that public transport is the pits and forcing people back into the office when they could essentially WFH!
Our inwards migration is 7x the eu average , we have completely lost control over inwards migration.
The population boom needs to be addressed.
Almost like we should probably put priority on frequency and scalable public transport infrastructure for the long term rather than add more lanes like it’s an American high way
Don’t forget Navan Rail has been pushed out by another year.
Plenty of drivers need a reminder of the rules of driving on motorways. A zero cost improvement would be to periodically cycle through some of those rules on the existing LED signage.
Enforcement needs to not be so reliant on Gardaí patrolling the road, not getting stuck in that traffic, spotting something and giving enough of a shit about it to penalise people. Non speeding offences need a major crackdown, especially distracted driving.
They’re right that extra lanes won’t help – that would just induce extra demand. The only thing that’ll truly solve it is less people using the road. That means far more ambitious public transport in tandem disincentives to drive on the M50 (like tolling the entire route).
I feel that upgrading cross-country national roads (the likes of the N52 and N62) would help reduce the amount of traffic on the M50, a lot of them are currently terrible and not fit for purpose. Wouldn’t say they need to be full motorway, good quality single carriageway with town bypasses would probably be sufficient for most of them.
Of course, we also need far more rail, metro and tram lines serving the Dublin area. Metro West and the Navan rail line need to come back, and we should probably start planning a Liffey Valley Luas/metro line.
If this problem didn’t exist during lockdown then they have their answer.
There needs to be an outer-ring from the M7 linking to the M1. Bit ridiculous that if you’re coming up the M7 you need to go onto the M50 to N4/N2/N2/M1
Let’s not hear anymore talk of civil servants going back to the office for a few years. I sympathise with people who have to make the journey but unless you want that journey to be far worse by adding all those cars back on road let’s agree to leave them be. And I’m not a civil servant btw.
Also the M50 traffic noticeably improves during the school breaks so that’s a big factor that needs to be looked at. Be it school buses or changing school start times I don’t know but surely that could be looked at.
Also pie in the sky but perhaps a free bus that stops at key points along the M50 could be looked at? If it stopped at pedestrian accessible points along the route near Blanch, Sandyford and the industrial estates I’m sure some would forgo paying the toll and sitting on the driving seat to be able to relax and look at their phones.
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