The UK will ban the sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030, meanwhile….

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  2. We’ve outsourced our production overseas, of course emissions have moved with production. The reality is that emissions in China exist in no small part to meet western demand. Their emissions are always used as a justification as to why the west shouldn’t change its consumption habits, even though their emissions are there to satisfy our consumption habits.

  3. The problem is, we have essentially outsourced our emissions to China. A part of that line is due to the stuff we buy from them.

  4. China want to have their people living in a developed country with electricity, cars and disposable income and they want them to remember who gave them those things. There’s no circumstances that developing countries will commit to lowering emissions unless there are very serious imminent dangers to them for failing to do so.

    As always the only way forward is going to be mitigating climate change as we won’t be able to prevent it. Food sustainabiity, water security via resevoirs and reducing pipe leakage, more renewables, air conditioning in homes to prevent heat related illness and tighter border security are going to be things we and every country will want to invest heavily in if there’s any intention of surviving.

  5. If we bring back all the production we sent to China,  you would see the UKs emissions go up and China’s go down. 
    Meanwhile the uk’s air is getting cleaner with less CO, NO and brake dust. 

  6. That all may be correct, but all that cheap sh*t that’s filling your house has to be manufactured somewhere. So if you want to have an impact on emissions, stop buying stuff.

  7. People also forget that there are more localised effects from polluting the air

    Whilst reducing emissions in the UK won’t do much to limit CO2 emissions on a global scale, *our* air will actually be much cleaner

  8. The graph is extremely misleading, China’s emissions are already plateauing and China has over 20 times the population of the UK

  9. Meanwhile in the year 2024 (or was it 2023) China installed 2/3 of the planets total Solar generation capacity, 2/3 of the total Wind generation capacity, and is currently building around half of all new nuclear plants.

    China also has almost half of the world’s electric passenger cars, along with 98% of its electric buses, and 65% of the world’s light commercial vehicles.

    Meanwhile, we talk the talk about supporting British industry and instead just watch China while having a pokey bum wank.

  10. China is a huge percentage of the world’s population.

    The UK, well isn’t..

    Classic “whataout” ism from the arrogant lot that don’t want to change.

    The thing I don’t understand about climate change sceptics is why gamble everything on a little bit of inconvenience?

    If climate change isn’t a thing but we’ve all made a few changes then so what? If we do nothing and it destroys the planet then everyone has lost everything because we’ve refused to listen to expert advice.

  11. You wouldn’t make it past the first week of math or statistics.

    Even if that were true and represented correctly, what is your point? We should burn more because others burn more?

    Shall we stop taking care of our citizens because the US has an average life expectancy that is 10 years lower than the UK’s?

    Go drink beer and watch football and leave the grownups to deal with these things

  13. Just make the UK uninhabitable on every social level for everyone except the super wealthy and allow them to eat each other. Sounds like a plan

  15. In Chinese cities most of the cars are electric which are locally produced, we are way behind them. You can get a 30 minute didi, their version of uber for about ÂŁ5.

  16. OK, but why do you think China is churning out so much co2? Have a look at the back of whatever device it is you used to post this and let us know where it was made. We are basically exporting the vast majority of co2 emissions.

  17. A classic example of deliberate proportionality distortion… A graph comparing per country is inherently dishonest. It has to be per-capita.

    China: ~9.24 tonnes per person per year
    UK: ~10 tonnes per person per year

    As other people have mentioned, a lot of their emissions is for stuff they produce for us… The above figure include that.

  18. So we lead the way in clean air which is good for us. I currently drive a petrol and electric cars are beyond affordability for me. Particularly when you take into account costs of actually getting a charge point installed in communal private parking area. So ye we should lead the way but the economics of it have to make sense.

  19. “Yeah but they aren’t trying so why should we” is such a shite mentality to have about pretty much anything

  20. You don’t think that reducing the amount of pollution in our cities is a good thing?

  23. China has a massive appetite for energy due to it’s rapid growth. So they are currently using thermal power plants as transition way until 2030, at which they expect the energy demand to plateau, and will slowly replace most of the thermal with renewables. They have already met their 2030 renewables and nuclear installation goal last year and they are actually spearheading the renewables right now.

    So we can see this number, start going down a lot in the next 2 decades. So it’s an extremely misleading graph that the right wants to push into the media, to push their fossil fuels narrative (F*ck Farage).

  24. This post is like saying “well my neighbours litter so why shouldn’t i?” Except China’s population is 26x larger than the UK’s, and they’re a far larger country in general.

    China’s per capita CO2 emissions were 8.89-9.2 tons in 2023.

    The UK was at 4.41 metric tons, despite being a fraction of the size and with 26x less the population, the UK is almost at half the amount of emissions per capita.

  25. What the fuck is that trend series selection jesus fucking christ

  26. They won’t ban them by 2030

    There’s no way that’s happening in 4 years

  27. I often find these sort of comparisons disingenious for a couple of reasons:

    1) China still has a lot more people they need to get out of poverty than the UK has citizens.

    2) As others have pointed out: it’s not about the origin of the emission, but where the emission is getting utilised. So if China produces stuff that’s then used elsewhere, the emission is really generated on the back of some other economy.

    3) Per-capita, China is just catching up to emission standards we have over here.

  28. Not a fan of this argument.

    If everyone in my street is throwing all their trash onto a massive stinking pile in the middle of the road, I don’t think that makes it okay for me to do it too, even if I barely have any trash.

    Not to mention that china is a very industrial manufacturing centred economy which Britain is not. We (and other countries) are responsible for much of China’s emissions – it’s simply cheaper to produce there, so we offload the emissions that we would be generating if we manufactured domestically.

    Also, China is at the cutting edge of R&D for renewables – there are many advantages to them aside from environmental impact.

    When it comes to cars – 2030 seems like a pretty reasonable cutoff. Technology moves on.

  29. you are not allowed to discuss this or which country manufactures 90% of all the worlds solar panels and wind turbines (or how these will be recycled) thereby the clear winner from the “green movement” wealth reallocation

  30. This is not there gotcha you think it is. That’s our carbon partly. Every piece of crappy plastic thing you but most likely comes from China

  31. This policy will be U-turned eventually. What cannot be achieved will not be achieved and the government needs to learn making changes on this scale takes more than just a policy declaration.

  33. Guys guys guys, worry not. My switch from plastic straws to cardboard straws will see the planet good for generations. Let poor China puff away – because we probably did something bad to them in the past which means we have to let them be themselves for the rest of eternity.

  34. The primary direct benefit of electric cars is that you don’t have people in cities and near roads sucking up the fumes. Cleaner air.

  35. China’s gambling on their future. Using the bad resources to make the renewables that they won’t have to worry about as much.

  36. Yet the UK government is after my log burner….

  37. The whole thing is a farce. Fossil fuels rock.

  38. We all want our fancy new toy, phones and TVs for Christmas.

  39. It’s not a zero-sum game.

    Even if developing EVs in the UK didn’t make any difference to global CO2, we still benefit from being forced to develop a technology which *will* become the future. If we don’t do it, we’ll get left behind.

    That’s why I think it’s funny that America has gone full ant-environment. They will lose their technical expertise (if they had any) in developing things like wind turbines, and Trump’s new relaxation of vehicle fuel economy rules will mean their manufacturers will lose any technical expertise (if they had any) of making fuel-efficient IC engines.

    Right-wing nut-jobs have been brainwashed to think that anything good for the environment is bad. In fact, we have nothing to lose by implementing every environmental policy we can. At best we save money and develop cheap energy sources. At the *very worst* we end up with a cleaner environment.

  40. Stupid fucking graph China has 20x the population of the uk , less emissions per capita than the uk and make all our shit for us , dumb graph to fool dumb people

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