>In a speech at the Bundestag on Thursday morning, Scholz said he was against granting Ukraine a “shortcut” to join the bloc.
Sorry to anyone who expected anything else, but this is the only reasonable position to take. The only viable shortcut would be not requiring Ukraine to come into compliance with the acquis, and I hope I don’t have to explain to anyone here why letting Ukraine join while it still violates union law would be a horrible idea for everyone involved, and not acceptable to any state or, most certainly, the EP.
>Tweeting on Thursday, Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine’s foreign minister said: “The strategic ambiguity about the European perspective of Ukraine practised by some EU capitals in recent years has failed and must stop.”
With all due respect to the FM, the law is the law. You cannot join while not in compliance with union law, and you can’t “skip the queue”. What help Ukraine needs, it should get, but this and that are two different pairs of shoes. Joining the EU is not something that should be taken as lightly as the FM appears to, it’s a major decision setting the new member state on a course for years and likely decades to come, at least.
Ukraine should stop trying to dictate european policy.
We support them because they are martyr but they shouldn’t weaponize it to get everything they want.
> He added the “second-class treatment” of Ukraine had “hurt [the] feelings of Ukrainians”.
Seriously?
Ukraine is treated like everybody else. There comes a point when young Ukrainians need to stop looking for excuses abroad and ask their own parents why the country went in a different direction after 1991 than those that joined the EU in 2004 and 2007. EU accession takes time. It always has and always will. There is literally nothing we can do about it now, because it’s not a set timetable but rather a state of democracy and the rule of law which takes time to achieve through reforms.
Kyiv should adjust it’s expectations, not dwell in delusions. The country is still far from being a proper democracy, albeit on good way.
Croatia was victim of Serbian aggression and it still took us 18 years after the war to get into EU while being blocked on almost every step by Slovenia. Also instead of help, weapons we got a weapons embargo.
Ukraine should strive toward the EU, but its politicians make them look ungrateful after getting unprecedented support from the US and EU. While I still hold the same admiration for people of Ukraine, I’m getting more annoyed by their ungrateful politicians.
I’m wondering when Germans will become more annoyed. You can only insult someone so many times until they stop helping.
I am developing a Ukraine delusion fatigue.
No, this is just normal treatment. Same treatment as everyone else because we uniformly apply the application demands. How big of a dent in our believability would it be if we meticulously insisted on every demand being met by f.e. Serbia before they can join, yet we instantly have Ukraine join because “that’ll show Russia”? The EU is about our economical and political strength and health, not about scoring political points against Russia. Having countries that do not yet meet our demands join would be a mistake, directly threatening our economic health in particular. Regardless of context, not even in war. Remember that economic malaise in one EU member state means far-reaching bailouts from the rest. This is not the type of thing we want to be quickly with. Accession to the EU is a huge decision, one of the absolute most important decisions to our wellbeing. That does not allow a short cut.
Slams?
Does this not push Ukraine away from the EU’s influence into the arms of the US/UK, or even perhaps China?
I think that I can’t blame Zelensky for being a voice for his people at this difficult time. I’ll bet he knows it’s not possible. Then, I’m sure there’s the frustration of seeing Ukraine flattened, citizens kidnapped, territory taken by Russia, perhaps never to be returned. I’m going to cut him some slack.
Nobody seriously belived that ukraine would magically become a full member in a short time.
There is a reason that the membership process takes years, because basicially all laws and instituitions of Ukraine have to be reviewed and made compatible to EU law. And Ukraine has for example a long way to go re fighting corruption.
Also, if we are being honest, due to the visa waiver and ongoing financial supprt Ukraine already enjoys at least some benefits of membership anyway.
moronic zelensky talks shit about both france and germany and expects boris will fix a shortcut into EU
If i were the Ukrainian govt i would want with the best reasons EU membership for my citizens as soon as possible. And if i were a Ukrainian citizen i would want EU membership for my children
However, as an EU citizen, even though I look forward to Ukraine bring in the community, this can’t be rushed. There’s got to be an alignment process to ensure it works over the long term; a compatible political culture, rule of law, anti corruption, économic policy, and many other areas of cooperation
Even if it seems like a long road when it’s ahead, we’ll work with you on this, we’ll get there and when we look back we’ll know it was the right way, it won’t have seemed like a long time
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>In a speech at the Bundestag on Thursday morning, Scholz said he was against granting Ukraine a “shortcut” to join the bloc.
Sorry to anyone who expected anything else, but this is the only reasonable position to take. The only viable shortcut would be not requiring Ukraine to come into compliance with the acquis, and I hope I don’t have to explain to anyone here why letting Ukraine join while it still violates union law would be a horrible idea for everyone involved, and not acceptable to any state or, most certainly, the EP.
>Tweeting on Thursday, Dmytro Kuleba, Ukraine’s foreign minister said: “The strategic ambiguity about the European perspective of Ukraine practised by some EU capitals in recent years has failed and must stop.”
With all due respect to the FM, the law is the law. You cannot join while not in compliance with union law, and you can’t “skip the queue”. What help Ukraine needs, it should get, but this and that are two different pairs of shoes. Joining the EU is not something that should be taken as lightly as the FM appears to, it’s a major decision setting the new member state on a course for years and likely decades to come, at least.
Ukraine should stop trying to dictate european policy.
We support them because they are martyr but they shouldn’t weaponize it to get everything they want.
> He added the “second-class treatment” of Ukraine had “hurt [the] feelings of Ukrainians”.
Seriously?
Ukraine is treated like everybody else. There comes a point when young Ukrainians need to stop looking for excuses abroad and ask their own parents why the country went in a different direction after 1991 than those that joined the EU in 2004 and 2007. EU accession takes time. It always has and always will. There is literally nothing we can do about it now, because it’s not a set timetable but rather a state of democracy and the rule of law which takes time to achieve through reforms.
Kyiv should adjust it’s expectations, not dwell in delusions. The country is still far from being a proper democracy, albeit on good way.
Croatia was victim of Serbian aggression and it still took us 18 years after the war to get into EU while being blocked on almost every step by Slovenia. Also instead of help, weapons we got a weapons embargo.
Ukraine should strive toward the EU, but its politicians make them look ungrateful after getting unprecedented support from the US and EU. While I still hold the same admiration for people of Ukraine, I’m getting more annoyed by their ungrateful politicians.
I’m wondering when Germans will become more annoyed. You can only insult someone so many times until they stop helping.
I am developing a Ukraine delusion fatigue.
No, this is just normal treatment. Same treatment as everyone else because we uniformly apply the application demands. How big of a dent in our believability would it be if we meticulously insisted on every demand being met by f.e. Serbia before they can join, yet we instantly have Ukraine join because “that’ll show Russia”? The EU is about our economical and political strength and health, not about scoring political points against Russia. Having countries that do not yet meet our demands join would be a mistake, directly threatening our economic health in particular. Regardless of context, not even in war. Remember that economic malaise in one EU member state means far-reaching bailouts from the rest. This is not the type of thing we want to be quickly with. Accession to the EU is a huge decision, one of the absolute most important decisions to our wellbeing. That does not allow a short cut.
Slams?
Does this not push Ukraine away from the EU’s influence into the arms of the US/UK, or even perhaps China?
I think that I can’t blame Zelensky for being a voice for his people at this difficult time. I’ll bet he knows it’s not possible. Then, I’m sure there’s the frustration of seeing Ukraine flattened, citizens kidnapped, territory taken by Russia, perhaps never to be returned. I’m going to cut him some slack.
Nobody seriously belived that ukraine would magically become a full member in a short time.
There is a reason that the membership process takes years, because basicially all laws and instituitions of Ukraine have to be reviewed and made compatible to EU law. And Ukraine has for example a long way to go re fighting corruption.
Also, if we are being honest, due to the visa waiver and ongoing financial supprt Ukraine already enjoys at least some benefits of membership anyway.
moronic zelensky talks shit about both france and germany and expects boris will fix a shortcut into EU
If i were the Ukrainian govt i would want with the best reasons EU membership for my citizens as soon as possible. And if i were a Ukrainian citizen i would want EU membership for my children
However, as an EU citizen, even though I look forward to Ukraine bring in the community, this can’t be rushed. There’s got to be an alignment process to ensure it works over the long term; a compatible political culture, rule of law, anti corruption, économic policy, and many other areas of cooperation
Even if it seems like a long road when it’s ahead, we’ll work with you on this, we’ll get there and when we look back we’ll know it was the right way, it won’t have seemed like a long time