Putin should have accepted Trump’s deal. Now Russia’s collapsing economy could lead to his downfall | Simon Tisdall
by Cool-Drummer3312
Putin should have accepted Trump’s deal. Now Russia’s collapsing economy could lead to his downfall | Simon Tisdall
by Cool-Drummer3312
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How many times have we heard this?
Is this reality? So many mixed messages lately. I just hope Trump and the americans can get back to their senses. The messaging lately has been doom and gloom, and a gift wrapped blessing for Putin, Xi and every other dictator out there. The only thing I hope for is that the congress and senate does not look at this the same as Trump, there is bipartisan support for ukraine.
I don´t understand why Ukraine doesn´t send something like 5000 drones at the same time to moscow. It would be impossible for them to shoot even 50% of them and even if 1500 would hit their target’s, russians would be scared as hell!
One can only hope. It’s the same thing on repeat
Sadly they could extend their holdout if trump removes sanctions or throws them a life line.
Now is the time for EU to tighten their sanctions and squeeze for all they can. It’s only a matter of time before trump gives putin some relief.
russia is also great at shifting funds into areas that need it, at a moments notice, and russian civilians have been conditioned to work for delayed payment/no payment for quite a while. I don’t think they are at the verge of collapse as this article makes it sound.
americans will always support russia. theres a reason why trump postpone the sanction and excluded lukoil.
Putin cannot accept a deal, in his worldview a deal is a compromise, a compromise is surrender and a surrender is weakness.
Trump does not understand that the only “deal” Putin will accept is the total surrender of all of Ukraine while he regroups and prepares to attack Europe.
The reason why Putin does not care about losing 1 million soldiers in Ukraine is because he believes he can take the whole of Ukraine and then force 2 million Ukrainians to fight Europe.
We’ve heard this before. IF the Russia economy starts to collapse, the U.S. and EU will give Russia a soft landing. Too much Russia money has bought people to allow them to collapse.
i’ve been hearing this for 2 years. Every week. Will believe when seen.
Russia should have taken the deal simply because it was the best possible deal they could have hoped for and accepting it would have made ukraine look bad. I’m glad they said no to it.
Not with that new US foreign policy
Why would he accept a deal when hes got the president and government of the most powerful country on earth on his side? Hes got the enemies leader doing his bidding. Hes cut off support for Ukraine. Intelligence soon to follow. Now Europe is all alone to help Ukraine and hes got countries in the EU doing his bidding as well. The russians spent that oil money well buying polticians.
Not if Trump reverses his relationship as he’s promising, friends with Russia and anti-NATO as he’s suggesting.
Russia can’t accept any peace deal at this point; they are in a permanent death spiral that will only end once the current iteration of Russia is destroyed.
The question is who they will take along with them?
Putin can’t stop the war because, even among Russians, he will then have to justify the horrendous losses and economic damage to his country to seize some utterly destroyed parts of some small country. Also, Russia simply cannot reabsorb so many veterans, many of whom are convicts, who have been brutalized (and brutalizing) for the last 4 years without serious consequences regarding the state’s stability.
While the war is going on, he neither has to seriously justify, nor reabsorb those people at any substantial rate.
No, the war will continue until the russian state disintegrates (whether by the removal and murder of Putin, or his natural death and the ensuing power struggle). This remains true no matter how much of Ukraine is occupied, or even in the case that Ukraine is fully destroyed, the war will continue moving westward until the Russian state collapses.
Lets hope, but be honest, we have heard this 100 times.
Putin was also very sick 5 times.
Russia also had depleted all bombs and ammo 10 times.
trumps deal is all about his family making more money. Pooping pants could care less.
I really want Russia to colapse.
But sometimes I wonder: What if they break in several territories each one with more than 200 nukes?
Will each new country be willing to destroy them or after seeing what happened with Ukraine they all refuse?
Imagine russia divided in 20 new countries and 20% of them ruled by a dictactor with nukes?
Scary no?
He doesn’t need a deal… The way the USA is aligning itself with Russian ideologies… They will be one and the same soon.
It would have led to his collapse regardless because Ukraine would have never agreed to that deal and stopped its total, no-holds-barred and permanent destruction campaign of Russia’s energy business, and the US has insufficient means or leverage to make Ukraine stop.
Suggesting this was ever some real world plausible deal, rather than dead on arrival non-starter theatrics, is asinine.
This is well beyond Putin’s personal survival. There are no escape hatches left for Moscow’s 11 timezone petro-regime. It’s just an inevitable progress bar to the depletion of their crude and refined production infrastructure, then their gold reserves, and then any land and slave population they trade as collateral to the likes of China, North Korea and Iran for ever smaller life extension.
And once their energy business is kept permanently offline by a never ending parade of flamingos, expect their aviation, missile, tank, drone and nuke businesses, alongside their very immovable rail based national transport network, to promptly follow suit.
There is no quarter.
Seriously, do you really think that the Russian people will sack his ass, when they still think national Germany is coming after them?
Even if he accepts the deal, the economy would likely still collapse, though more slowly and with some level of opportunity for recovery in the economic sense.
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