Right wing think-tank doesn’t like legal aid, particularly for brown people. What a surprise.
What’s the alternative? Justice only for those who can afford it?
A fair trial means everyone gets a defence lawyer. This is true even when they’re obviously guilty. We should be proud that our society makes this kind of effort to fair trials.
It sounds outrageous but it’s part of the cost of living in a civilised society. Everyone should have access to a fair trial. Today it’s these cockroaches, tomorrow it could be an innocent person falsely accused, who wouldn’t be able to afford proper representation otherwise.
That said, one would hope that now they’ve been convicted, whatever assets they had could be seized and put towards the cost?
Maybe the cost of legal representation is a bigger eyebrow raiser than the question of who should be paying for it.
Good for them.
Oh fuck off The Mirror, legal aid is a basic right everyone should have. Without it, we don’t have a justice system.
Attacking bits of the justice system you don’t like is borderline fascism. We saw it when the Mail splashed Brexit judges on their front page, and this isn’t much different.
That’s like, expenses for maybe 2 or 3 MPs for a year.
The irony of course being this attitude from outlets like this has already allowed the government to slash legal aid to the point many perfectly normal people being unfairly charged or with perfectly legitimate claims of their own are being denied the aid they need. These snakes are using emotional hysteria to destroy our institutions and ultimately will see our nation burn to the ground so long as it makes for some entertaining headlines.
Newspapers try really hard to ignore the fact that it’s only possible to jail people if you let them have a fair trial… That means letting both side have a suitably qualified representative.
You never see them complain that the taxpayer paid £950,000 on prosecution barristers…
Good, make sure they have excellent legal representation, so that it can’t be the basis of an appeal.
Why do they add up the sentences of them all? It really is irrelevant. Sensationalism at its best.
That crap reporting aside, they should be jailed for life, no parole. Fucking disgusting.
1. It’s good that they were sent to prison for a long time.
2. This was a big case so legal fees were going to be high.
3. The fact that they were given legal aid is a good thing. Arguing otherwise is asking for kangaroo courts. Not that Britain doesn’t already has a corrupt legal and justice system but why make it even worse.
Just another ridiculous piece of shit article, written by some middle class wanker for a piece of shit British tabloid.
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This grooming of school girls been going on for years. Within eye sight of police, teachers and press.
Press refers to them as Asian gangs.
South Korean is it?.
Or South Asian gang.
Christians from Kerala. Buddhist from Bhutan?
Why can’t the teachers, police and press align to evict these barbarians?
Name and shame
And ? Justice should be for everyone not just those who can afford it.
And? That’s how a democracy with Rule of Law operates. Everyone gets a lawyer at trial, no ifs no buts.
Justice costs. The legal aid budget should be increased. The criminal justice system has already had too much austerity that injustices are happening – including clear criminals walking free, and innocent people being jailed.
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It is the lawyers (who will have worked hard in case preparation etc) that received that money, not the gang. The money is not handed over to defendants.
Not having lawyers does not make criminal cases go faster or simpler. Yes, this is mainly about helping defendants out, but having legal representation will reduce other costs too. Having a barrister appear who can’t actually lie to the court allows all sorts of things to be done on trust that would not be possible for someone self-representing etc.
Seems like money well spent to have a fair trial with the desired result.
David Spencer, from the Centre of Crime Prevention, said: “It is staggering that anyone would think that this is the best use of nearly half a million pounds of taxpayers money.
I mean, we could have just not had a trial and let them just crack on if you were desperate to save costs but I personally think it was a pretty reasonable use of funds.
78 years sounds like a lot on the face of it, but with it being a combined total divided between 8 perpetrators, that means they’re only serving approx. 9.75 years each.
I mean… its an example of the system working
Everyone is entitled to legal representation and a fair trial. That’s a feature, not a bug.
I would think that if they are not properly defended that opens up avenues of appeal.
Are we supposed to be angry that if people can’t afford legal representation it’s provided for them?
Only 78 years?
Should have been executed
So in other words, the defendants were properly represented in court, so we can be confident that the guilty verdict was correct.
The takeaway point is that lawyers are overpaid.
Legal Aid is an essential support mechanism in a fair justice system. Fuck anyone who doesnt agree with it
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Wasnt this lot jailed 6 years ago. Why is it back in the news?
Labour supports child groomers
Short back and barcode the guy on the bottom
Right. Dirty pedos
How many gangs is that now? Are people still afraid being labeled racist for calling these gangs out?
Bottom left looking like the hunchback of notre dame (no offence to the hunchback)
The controversy: people who were accused of a crime had a fair trial?
So? Just because they’re cunts doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to a fair trial.
What’s the alternative? Only rich people can afford justice?
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Right wing think-tank doesn’t like legal aid, particularly for brown people. What a surprise.
What’s the alternative? Justice only for those who can afford it?
A fair trial means everyone gets a defence lawyer. This is true even when they’re obviously guilty. We should be proud that our society makes this kind of effort to fair trials.
It sounds outrageous but it’s part of the cost of living in a civilised society. Everyone should have access to a fair trial. Today it’s these cockroaches, tomorrow it could be an innocent person falsely accused, who wouldn’t be able to afford proper representation otherwise.
That said, one would hope that now they’ve been convicted, whatever assets they had could be seized and put towards the cost?
Maybe the cost of legal representation is a bigger eyebrow raiser than the question of who should be paying for it.
Good for them.
Oh fuck off The Mirror, legal aid is a basic right everyone should have. Without it, we don’t have a justice system.
Attacking bits of the justice system you don’t like is borderline fascism. We saw it when the Mail splashed Brexit judges on their front page, and this isn’t much different.
That’s like, expenses for maybe 2 or 3 MPs for a year.
The irony of course being this attitude from outlets like this has already allowed the government to slash legal aid to the point many perfectly normal people being unfairly charged or with perfectly legitimate claims of their own are being denied the aid they need. These snakes are using emotional hysteria to destroy our institutions and ultimately will see our nation burn to the ground so long as it makes for some entertaining headlines.
Newspapers try really hard to ignore the fact that it’s only possible to jail people if you let them have a fair trial… That means letting both side have a suitably qualified representative.
You never see them complain that the taxpayer paid £950,000 on prosecution barristers…
Good, make sure they have excellent legal representation, so that it can’t be the basis of an appeal.
Why do they add up the sentences of them all? It really is irrelevant. Sensationalism at its best.
That crap reporting aside, they should be jailed for life, no parole. Fucking disgusting.
1. It’s good that they were sent to prison for a long time.
2. This was a big case so legal fees were going to be high.
3. The fact that they were given legal aid is a good thing. Arguing otherwise is asking for kangaroo courts. Not that Britain doesn’t already has a corrupt legal and justice system but why make it even worse.
Just another ridiculous piece of shit article, written by some middle class wanker for a piece of shit British tabloid.
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This grooming of school girls been going on for years. Within eye sight of police, teachers and press.
Press refers to them as Asian gangs.
South Korean is it?.
Or South Asian gang.
Christians from Kerala. Buddhist from Bhutan?
Why can’t the teachers, police and press align to evict these barbarians?
Name and shame
And ? Justice should be for everyone not just those who can afford it.
And? That’s how a democracy with Rule of Law operates. Everyone gets a lawyer at trial, no ifs no buts.
Justice costs. The legal aid budget should be increased. The criminal justice system has already had too much austerity that injustices are happening – including clear criminals walking free, and innocent people being jailed.
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It is the lawyers (who will have worked hard in case preparation etc) that received that money, not the gang. The money is not handed over to defendants.
Not having lawyers does not make criminal cases go faster or simpler. Yes, this is mainly about helping defendants out, but having legal representation will reduce other costs too. Having a barrister appear who can’t actually lie to the court allows all sorts of things to be done on trust that would not be possible for someone self-representing etc.
Seems like money well spent to have a fair trial with the desired result.
David Spencer, from the Centre of Crime Prevention, said: “It is staggering that anyone would think that this is the best use of nearly half a million pounds of taxpayers money.
I mean, we could have just not had a trial and let them just crack on if you were desperate to save costs but I personally think it was a pretty reasonable use of funds.
78 years sounds like a lot on the face of it, but with it being a combined total divided between 8 perpetrators, that means they’re only serving approx. 9.75 years each.
I mean… its an example of the system working
Everyone is entitled to legal representation and a fair trial. That’s a feature, not a bug.
I would think that if they are not properly defended that opens up avenues of appeal.
Are we supposed to be angry that if people can’t afford legal representation it’s provided for them?
Only 78 years?
Should have been executed
So in other words, the defendants were properly represented in court, so we can be confident that the guilty verdict was correct.
The takeaway point is that lawyers are overpaid.
Legal Aid is an essential support mechanism in a fair justice system. Fuck anyone who doesnt agree with it
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Wasnt this lot jailed 6 years ago. Why is it back in the news?
Labour supports child groomers
Short back and barcode the guy on the bottom
Right. Dirty pedos
How many gangs is that now? Are people still afraid being labeled racist for calling these gangs out?
Bottom left looking like the hunchback of notre dame (no offence to the hunchback)
The controversy: people who were accused of a crime had a fair trial?
So? Just because they’re cunts doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to a fair trial.
What’s the alternative? Only rich people can afford justice?