I’m convinced this account is a bot. I called out the reposting yesterday and got the exact same “Ok” response.
Don’t forget all the second homes and the ultra-wealthy’s “property portfolios”. Lost way more houses to that. (That yes, you can’t buy and therefore have reduced housing stock to buy and driven up prices. The reason people need to rent them is because you’ve bought so many houses!!!)
This is posted on this sub daily at this point.
Immigrants are not helping. Thatcher was followed by Labour who built nothing too. Refer to sentence 1.
Local Council: “Hey can we use the money we made from selling our housing stock to build new housing stock”
Thatcher: “Nah, give it here”
and the money is there, and has always been there, to help the people, but choose not too. Our tax is there money to do as they see fit.
Two things aren’t mutually exclusive both can be a hindrance which they are
Its also hard to build new homes when every nimby who cries foul can completely derail any plans.
Okay but alot of these immigrants arnt helping either
Okay but alot of these immigrants arnt helping either
Shut this sub down.
Increasing the population by millions of low or averagely skilled people does have an effect on basically all of that.
Edit: Someone appears to have called me racist and an idiot for this. Then blocked me.
The Labour whitepaper showed no significant change economically despite the massive influx of immigrants to the UK, also shows a skills loss and highlights the need for more domestic training, by extension less reliance on hiring foreigners.
Immigration to the UK should not be because of some intangible right to a better life, as the majority of the world has far worse conditions than our country, it should be (is intended as) a privilege only to those who have significant positive impact to our country, economically that’s not happened – What has happened is people skilling up in our country, remitting money out of our economy and back into their ‘home’ countries to the tune of tens of billions of pounds a year then they return back to their home because their money stretches further there.
British people’s home is Britain, not Bangladesh or anywhere else.
If we can’t have a reasonable discussion without throwing around names like racist, we’ll end up in a very VERY sad nation state.
Thatcher was a cunt but was 40 years ago. Can’t blame everything on her
We need to stop pretending immigration is a good blanket term, there are so many different kinds, some beneficial some not. Yes we have some immigrants who are healthcare workers and other required skilled professionals but most are not. These are people who need to places to stay, healthcare and if allowed to do so work. While these problems were initially caused by years of tory austerity , having high levels of immigration mixed into those measures makes them have an even more detrimental effect.
The lack of jobs housing and access to healthcare means people need to compete for these things, adding more people into that equation makes it objectively more difficult. So while we shouldnt be flat out banning immigration, we need to focus on bringing in people who will not be reliant on the state and are a net positive and can pay their own way. Immigration should be mutually beneficial for the migrant and the country they move to, we should be accepting people who are highly qualified skilled professionals in areas that we have a shortage.
The really hard to swallow pill: people blaming stuff today on a politician that left power 35 years ago and died ages ago. Massive cop-out, each government since could have tried addressing some of the issues. Nothing happened.
If you always keep looking into the past instead of the future, you will keep failing.
I post the same thing every time this ‘meme’ is posted….
We have built many more houses than natural pop growth for the past 20 years.
But the housing deficit has grown.
Can’t we just have a SENSIBLE discussion?!
Heres one…a single asylum seeker arriving in the UK illegally costs approx 40k to support when emergency accom , food and Hospital care are factored in.Â
The average working two parent family pays approx 13k in taxes.
Therefore 3 working families are required to support 1 illegal migrant seeking asylum.
This leaves nothing from their contributions for schools, police ,pensions , military , fire service , roads and other infastructure etc etc.The very things that make this an attractive country to live in cannot be funded.
Is this good use of my tax money ?
I say this as the son of a middle eastern migrant and the husband of a migrant. Clearly I am not what you lefties insultingly call a Gamon . But migrants that take and dont contribute are not a good deal for the UK . It cannot continue.
The immigration and population growth (through immigration and native reproduction) during thatchers time was significantly lower than it is now.
That’s a real hard to swallow pill.
The population per year at the time grew by fewer numbers, than there are illegal immigrants that arrived in the UK.
An entire years worth of illegal immigrants today.
Is more than a entire years worth of natural population growth, legal and illegal immigrants back then.
And your saying the shortage we are facing is thatchers fault?
The elderly are more energy demanding, sewerage producing, and taking up more housing space than they where 30-40 years ago?
.
For all the fuckups thatcher made, our current shortages aren’t on her. It’s the governments after that artificially increased population through immigration to unsustainable levels, without changing policies.
I don’t see how Thatcher caused a shortage by selling those 2mil homes. If they weren’t sold they’d be occupied by 2mil renters instead of owners. The problem *was* selling them as a substitute for devellopping new builds.
Stop this crap. We’re having over 1 million people enter a year. Get fucking real.
Y’all had more than 40 years to fix it. Just sayin’
Love how this is a meme page and people come on here to argue about politics, as if anything anyone on here says would have the slightest impact on the overall state of the UK.
Sit down, with a nice cuppa, and maybe try remembering life is way too short to be angry all the time about things you literally cannot do anything about.
Errrrr I beg to add my take which is that
10 million + more people are using the NHS and other services transport housing etc etc due to ( immigration legal and otherwise ) and funding it has not kept pace with the largest population growth in the last 50 years this country has EVER seen and it ain’t due to increase birth rates of the indigenous population which has been falling for decades due to successive government policies that make raising a family much more difficult for many reasons both financial and socially such as lurching from one recession to another in a never ending spiral of decline . The LARGEST movement of wealth from the middle classes to the elite extreme wealthy people since records began , the erosion of working class pay and conditions such as zero hour contracts Wealthy individuals companies like sports directs employees receiving tax payer subsidies by way of tax credits to their workforce who do not get paid enough and are effectively subsidised by our taxes .
The list is endless and I’m depressed typing this so I’ll end it there . Many of you I’m sure can add to this .
The population has increased considerably more in the last 25 years than it did in the 50+ before that since WW2. The sole reason for this is mass immigration, the birth rate has been below replacement for a while.
I’m not blaming everything on immigration and I’m certainly not blaming individual immigrants. But mass immigration has had significant effects on public service and housing demand. To deny that is to deny basic maths.
Yes we need skilled immigrants to cover shortfalls, we don’t need thousands of deliveroo drivers and dependents coming over though.
Unfortunately, there are sections of the community that only take from the system, without giving anything back.
It is not only persons from other countries that are abusing the system by not declaring their income by working whilst openly accepting benefits that are created by those who actually pay tax according to their incomes.
Everybody deserves the right to live in a different country were they may feel safe, but it would be better if they accept the laws and cultures of that country.
Council houses have been sold with nothing to replace them.
NHS services have been heavily reduced by centralizing treatment centres, successive governments have reduced spending for NHS treatment, but made more money available for the private sector to treat nhs patients , this money coming from NHS budget.
Thatcher may have started it, but each successive government has continued it.
Change the fucking record
Rage bait nonsense.
She sold them but they don’t vanish when they get sold… People continue living in them..
We don’t need to chase growth by continually increasing the population. It’s a silly model. We need a balanced number of people arriving and people leaving. Our quality of life will continue to worsen the more people we try to squeeze into this little country.
The issues we have are not caused by immigrants – they’re caused by too much immigration without upgrading the roads, building new hospitals, schools etc. The problem is, we’re running out of space to build new roads etc.
It’s time we pursued growth by improving productivity not simply increasing the population. If anything, we should allow for a reduction in our population – settle it down to around 60 million or a less arbitrary number – perhaps someone can figure out how many people we can feed if we rely on only food grown in the UK. Seems like a more sensible approach to me.
I mean if Thatcher demolished 2 millions homes I guess you could say she caused a problem, instead she did help make a whole lot of families better off for generations.
The way some of these comments are written, is like…
Everything was wonderful until Thatcher (alone) wrecked the country 40 years ago, and no one had been able to put it right since….im embarassed for the people trotting this out
Still Thatcher eh
I don’t remember many Staunch labour voters complaining about being able buy their house at a massive discount.
A lot of the housing issues stems from 1947 Green Belt policy in combination with Common Law has meant planning is extremely difficult for governments (all levels) to establish planning permission. Plus selling of council houses with further governments not adding to the stock with easier access to mortgages. Plus rapid immigration rates and more single living further adds to demand.
One of the hard to swallow pills that people on Reddit never want to accept kinda related to this post:
Yes, thatcher sold our council homes, but she sold them to owner occupiers. A key problem is people owning their own home.
Proof? You can check the stats yourself as I know people will argue that landlords bought the houses not people who live in them because they know one round the street that is now owned by a LL.
When thatcher sold our council homes the private rental market was about 20% of the housing supply.
What is it now? The private rental market is about 20%.
Effectively no change.
At the start of the 60s, about 40% of the housing supply was owned by people that lived in them (called owner occupied).
Now? About 60-65% of the housing supply is owner occupied.
Social housing down, owned by the population up, landlords same.
Why is this a problem?
Because as our lives get better and better (yes, I know doom and gloom everything is expensive yadda yadda but life is actually way better relatively) we expect more and more. In the 60s houses were filled far more.
A home owned by someone right now will typically house 2.1 people. This used to be far higher, but as life gets better, we demand more comfort. I’m sure we can blame cultural changes and birth rates there too.
When you are in a rented home, private OR social, you live more densely, more people live in that house if it’s a council house than if someone owns it and doesn’t rent it out. The current rate is 2.7 people per, again this was higher in the 60s.
So two big reasons are our cultural change to want to live less densely, as life improves in general we also want to improve our co-habitation AND
A huge one – effectively 20% of the housing stock has changed from 2.7 people to 2.1 people. That’s a 0.6 change per house, divide the 20% by 4.5 and this change alone accounts for a 4.4% shift of “housing space” – not actually sure of the technical term there.
There are about 29m houses in the UK, 4.4% is nearly 1.3M houses. We effectively lost 1.3M houses between 1960 and 2025 based solely on the 20% additional house ownership.
You don’t see much outrage about this because it’s not amazing PR to be grumpy at people owning their own home in a country where the dream is… owning your own home.
Obviously this is all solved with building more homes, enough homes, but we haven’t, so these two things have come into play.
Im not even British and i call bull sht. Just some rage bait.
She actually sold 1.5m and built 40,000 each year. Blair and brown built 7870 in 13 years. She gave working people a chance to own a home and built more, Labour are the reason there’s no council houses.
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Can I repost this one tomorrow?
I’m convinced this account is a bot. I called out the reposting yesterday and got the exact same “Ok” response.
Don’t forget all the second homes and the ultra-wealthy’s “property portfolios”. Lost way more houses to that. (That yes, you can’t buy and therefore have reduced housing stock to buy and driven up prices. The reason people need to rent them is because you’ve bought so many houses!!!)
This is posted on this sub daily at this point.
Immigrants are not helping. Thatcher was followed by Labour who built nothing too. Refer to sentence 1.
Local Council: “Hey can we use the money we made from selling our housing stock to build new housing stock”
Thatcher: “Nah, give it here”
and the money is there, and has always been there, to help the people, but choose not too. Our tax is there money to do as they see fit.
Two things aren’t mutually exclusive both can be a hindrance which they are
Its also hard to build new homes when every nimby who cries foul can completely derail any plans.
Okay but alot of these immigrants arnt helping either
Okay but alot of these immigrants arnt helping either
Shut this sub down.
Increasing the population by millions of low or averagely skilled people does have an effect on basically all of that.
Edit: Someone appears to have called me racist and an idiot for this. Then blocked me.
The Labour whitepaper showed no significant change economically despite the massive influx of immigrants to the UK, also shows a skills loss and highlights the need for more domestic training, by extension less reliance on hiring foreigners.
Immigration to the UK should not be because of some intangible right to a better life, as the majority of the world has far worse conditions than our country, it should be (is intended as) a privilege only to those who have significant positive impact to our country, economically that’s not happened – What has happened is people skilling up in our country, remitting money out of our economy and back into their ‘home’ countries to the tune of tens of billions of pounds a year then they return back to their home because their money stretches further there.
British people’s home is Britain, not Bangladesh or anywhere else.
If we can’t have a reasonable discussion without throwing around names like racist, we’ll end up in a very VERY sad nation state.
Thatcher was a cunt but was 40 years ago. Can’t blame everything on her
We need to stop pretending immigration is a good blanket term, there are so many different kinds, some beneficial some not. Yes we have some immigrants who are healthcare workers and other required skilled professionals but most are not. These are people who need to places to stay, healthcare and if allowed to do so work. While these problems were initially caused by years of tory austerity , having high levels of immigration mixed into those measures makes them have an even more detrimental effect.
The lack of jobs housing and access to healthcare means people need to compete for these things, adding more people into that equation makes it objectively more difficult. So while we shouldnt be flat out banning immigration, we need to focus on bringing in people who will not be reliant on the state and are a net positive and can pay their own way. Immigration should be mutually beneficial for the migrant and the country they move to, we should be accepting people who are highly qualified skilled professionals in areas that we have a shortage.
The really hard to swallow pill: people blaming stuff today on a politician that left power 35 years ago and died ages ago. Massive cop-out, each government since could have tried addressing some of the issues. Nothing happened.
If you always keep looking into the past instead of the future, you will keep failing.
I post the same thing every time this ‘meme’ is posted….
We have built many more houses than natural pop growth for the past 20 years.
But the housing deficit has grown.
Can’t we just have a SENSIBLE discussion?!
Heres one…a single asylum seeker arriving in the UK illegally costs approx 40k to support when emergency accom , food and Hospital care are factored in.Â
The average working two parent family pays approx 13k in taxes.
Therefore 3 working families are required to support 1 illegal migrant seeking asylum.
This leaves nothing from their contributions for schools, police ,pensions , military , fire service , roads and other infastructure etc etc.The very things that make this an attractive country to live in cannot be funded.
Is this good use of my tax money ?
I say this as the son of a middle eastern migrant and the husband of a migrant. Clearly I am not what you lefties insultingly call a Gamon . But migrants that take and dont contribute are not a good deal for the UK . It cannot continue.
The immigration and population growth (through immigration and native reproduction) during thatchers time was significantly lower than it is now.
That’s a real hard to swallow pill.
The population per year at the time grew by fewer numbers, than there are illegal immigrants that arrived in the UK.
An entire years worth of illegal immigrants today.
Is more than a entire years worth of natural population growth, legal and illegal immigrants back then.
And your saying the shortage we are facing is thatchers fault?
The elderly are more energy demanding, sewerage producing, and taking up more housing space than they where 30-40 years ago?
.
For all the fuckups thatcher made, our current shortages aren’t on her. It’s the governments after that artificially increased population through immigration to unsustainable levels, without changing policies.
I don’t see how Thatcher caused a shortage by selling those 2mil homes. If they weren’t sold they’d be occupied by 2mil renters instead of owners. The problem *was* selling them as a substitute for devellopping new builds.
Stop this crap. We’re having over 1 million people enter a year. Get fucking real.
Y’all had more than 40 years to fix it. Just sayin’
Love how this is a meme page and people come on here to argue about politics, as if anything anyone on here says would have the slightest impact on the overall state of the UK.
Sit down, with a nice cuppa, and maybe try remembering life is way too short to be angry all the time about things you literally cannot do anything about.
Errrrr I beg to add my take which is that
10 million + more people are using the NHS and other services transport housing etc etc due to ( immigration legal and otherwise ) and funding it has not kept pace with the largest population growth in the last 50 years this country has EVER seen and it ain’t due to increase birth rates of the indigenous population which has been falling for decades due to successive government policies that make raising a family much more difficult for many reasons both financial and socially such as lurching from one recession to another in a never ending spiral of decline . The LARGEST movement of wealth from the middle classes to the elite extreme wealthy people since records began , the erosion of working class pay and conditions such as zero hour contracts Wealthy individuals companies like sports directs employees receiving tax payer subsidies by way of tax credits to their workforce who do not get paid enough and are effectively subsidised by our taxes .
The list is endless and I’m depressed typing this so I’ll end it there . Many of you I’m sure can add to this .
The population has increased considerably more in the last 25 years than it did in the 50+ before that since WW2. The sole reason for this is mass immigration, the birth rate has been below replacement for a while.
I’m not blaming everything on immigration and I’m certainly not blaming individual immigrants. But mass immigration has had significant effects on public service and housing demand. To deny that is to deny basic maths.
Yes we need skilled immigrants to cover shortfalls, we don’t need thousands of deliveroo drivers and dependents coming over though.
Unfortunately, there are sections of the community that only take from the system, without giving anything back.
It is not only persons from other countries that are abusing the system by not declaring their income by working whilst openly accepting benefits that are created by those who actually pay tax according to their incomes.
Everybody deserves the right to live in a different country were they may feel safe, but it would be better if they accept the laws and cultures of that country.
Council houses have been sold with nothing to replace them.
NHS services have been heavily reduced by centralizing treatment centres, successive governments have reduced spending for NHS treatment, but made more money available for the private sector to treat nhs patients , this money coming from NHS budget.
Thatcher may have started it, but each successive government has continued it.
Change the fucking record
Rage bait nonsense.
She sold them but they don’t vanish when they get sold… People continue living in them..
We don’t need to chase growth by continually increasing the population. It’s a silly model. We need a balanced number of people arriving and people leaving. Our quality of life will continue to worsen the more people we try to squeeze into this little country.
The issues we have are not caused by immigrants – they’re caused by too much immigration without upgrading the roads, building new hospitals, schools etc. The problem is, we’re running out of space to build new roads etc.
It’s time we pursued growth by improving productivity not simply increasing the population. If anything, we should allow for a reduction in our population – settle it down to around 60 million or a less arbitrary number – perhaps someone can figure out how many people we can feed if we rely on only food grown in the UK. Seems like a more sensible approach to me.
I mean if Thatcher demolished 2 millions homes I guess you could say she caused a problem, instead she did help make a whole lot of families better off for generations.
The way some of these comments are written, is like…
Everything was wonderful until Thatcher (alone) wrecked the country 40 years ago, and no one had been able to put it right since….im embarassed for the people trotting this out
Still Thatcher eh
I don’t remember many Staunch labour voters complaining about being able buy their house at a massive discount.
A lot of the housing issues stems from 1947 Green Belt policy in combination with Common Law has meant planning is extremely difficult for governments (all levels) to establish planning permission. Plus selling of council houses with further governments not adding to the stock with easier access to mortgages. Plus rapid immigration rates and more single living further adds to demand.
One of the hard to swallow pills that people on Reddit never want to accept kinda related to this post:
Yes, thatcher sold our council homes, but she sold them to owner occupiers. A key problem is people owning their own home.
Proof? You can check the stats yourself as I know people will argue that landlords bought the houses not people who live in them because they know one round the street that is now owned by a LL.
When thatcher sold our council homes the private rental market was about 20% of the housing supply.
What is it now? The private rental market is about 20%.
Effectively no change.
At the start of the 60s, about 40% of the housing supply was owned by people that lived in them (called owner occupied).
Now? About 60-65% of the housing supply is owner occupied.
Social housing down, owned by the population up, landlords same.
Why is this a problem?
Because as our lives get better and better (yes, I know doom and gloom everything is expensive yadda yadda but life is actually way better relatively) we expect more and more. In the 60s houses were filled far more.
A home owned by someone right now will typically house 2.1 people. This used to be far higher, but as life gets better, we demand more comfort. I’m sure we can blame cultural changes and birth rates there too.
When you are in a rented home, private OR social, you live more densely, more people live in that house if it’s a council house than if someone owns it and doesn’t rent it out. The current rate is 2.7 people per, again this was higher in the 60s.
So two big reasons are our cultural change to want to live less densely, as life improves in general we also want to improve our co-habitation AND
A huge one – effectively 20% of the housing stock has changed from 2.7 people to 2.1 people. That’s a 0.6 change per house, divide the 20% by 4.5 and this change alone accounts for a 4.4% shift of “housing space” – not actually sure of the technical term there.
There are about 29m houses in the UK, 4.4% is nearly 1.3M houses. We effectively lost 1.3M houses between 1960 and 2025 based solely on the 20% additional house ownership.
You don’t see much outrage about this because it’s not amazing PR to be grumpy at people owning their own home in a country where the dream is… owning your own home.
Obviously this is all solved with building more homes, enough homes, but we haven’t, so these two things have come into play.
Im not even British and i call bull sht. Just some rage bait.
She actually sold 1.5m and built 40,000 each year. Blair and brown built 7870 in 13 years. She gave working people a chance to own a home and built more, Labour are the reason there’s no council houses.
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