As countless international studies repeatedly show, increasing public transport significantly increases demand for public transport. Introducing congestion charges has limited effects and just moves traffic elsewhere while hitting working class hardest. One of these studies was done in Ireland too with the Local Link service.
What ever happened to carrot and the stick? Now it’s just the stick, encourage dense apartment building in the city, build proper transport infrastructure and you’ll solve the traffic issue
Fix the fucking traffic lights before you do anything else!
The current approach has been to make driving around the city difficult, through the use of bus gates, turn restrictions and some (lets be honest, exceptionally limited) pedestrianisation.
That’s fine, it can be very confusing if you’re not familiar with the city though. But the big place we’re falling down is that we hardly enforce it.
I think for many people a congestion charge would make driving into Dublin on the rare times they need to much easier, while also stopping a lot of the bad behaviour we see now. But we could also solve a lot of that bad behaviour with camera based enforcement of some of the existing rules.
London is a bad comparison as it has the highly developed underground network and is able to keep cars out.
Dublin is a medium, but rapidly growing city with a love of sprawling suburbs and very underinvested public transit infrastructure.
Totally the right time for this given the shelving of public transport projects.
If Dublin had London levels of public transportation nobody would argue with this.
It just doesn’t though.
Yep, a proper working from home policy is badly needed. The actual one is a joke.
All static desk bound public servants esp civil service should be mandated to WFH unless requested to be elsewhere.
Sure glad we had those incessant campaigns against bus lanes and cycle lanes and metro and on and on and on
Im shocked.
Traffic issues in a city with 2 tram lines and an ageing coastal railway, no metro, no densification and very few main arterial roads…
Where’s the bus lane cameras *on* the busses? The €60 fine for all the SUVs that happily use them as their own lane would free up bus lanes overnight, and encourage more people to take the speedy busses?
Don’t you mean “changes needed”.
We just need one more lane!
Such a short sighted suggestion. Let’s compare it to London where they have a decent public transport network.
Like the quays closure and traffic light changes, I can’t understand why you’d put these things in place without an alternative.
It’s like these experts think we want to sit in cars for hours a day.
Bus connect was announced 8 years ago and construction hasn’t started on a single one of the bus corridors
You cannot put charges in place without providing first a viable alternative. This is why light rail and metro systems need to be prioritised. Why are we still pretending this is a debate.
Yeah, we shouldn’t fix the problem.We should charge the consumer more. This is the Irish way.
They need to ban all passenger car traffic between the canals at least during rush hour. I suppose an exception would need to be made for residents somehow.
I walk down South Circular road to work and it’s a car park from 8-10.
Ban cars inside the canals
Remember decentralisation. Is it important to have the department of agriculture in Dublin city centre, fisheries in city west etc? IDA spent decades forcing everyone into Dublin.
Anyone who wants anything other than mid/high-density housing in the Dublin area is a fucking moron.
WFH as the default is possible, more productive, more envirommentally friendly and would make huge improvements to traffic in Dublin and on the M50. The property developers never guessed that office blocks would become unnecessary, but holding back progress for the convenience of executives who can’t be bothered to evolve is so *American*.
There’s a gym at Fairview Clontarf where cars queue to get in ,blocking a bus lane and a cycle path. The dart is next door and buses drive by. It’s accessible by well served public transport. The issue there, which is mirrored across the city, is people prefer sitting in their cars . Whether it’s going to work or school or wherever, traffic is woeful because we prefer cars. Public transport is not always to blame
The whole system is under pressure. As frequent as the new E1 bus is in rush hour, it can be so full that often it can be two or three before I can squeeze on. So even if people did ditch the cars because of a congestion charge, that’s just going to make the bus situation worse.
It’s always charging us more. Instead of making it better.
We aren’t driving for the craic. Our jobs force us to travel in to the office and the public infrastructure either not being present or taking 2-3 times as long as the car forces us into the car.
Charging more won’t fix or make it better for anyone, it’ll just make living harder than it already is.
Put in place a tax on companies with RTO mandates on any role that can be done from home and then put that money into improving public infrastructure.
Red light cameras
No taxis in bus lanes
Public sector jobs stop providing parking in the city centre, start with the TDs or even ex TDs.
Unless there is a specific need it should be made illegal to work from an office rather than WFH
Police bus lanes you dumb cunts. Implement cameras and automatic fines. That should be step one.
If only their was some magical way to have people do their jobs without having to commute?
Not only that, we could build some apartments in the city centre. But…but I hear you say, the “skyline”!?
Nah fuck that. Congestion charges how about we have some competent planners and people in these departments and organizations who can just structure the stuff properly.
Like it’s all rubbish choices and excuses for things seen coming years in advance.
Redirect HGV traffic through Darthmouth Square to solve the problem.
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As countless international studies repeatedly show, increasing public transport significantly increases demand for public transport. Introducing congestion charges has limited effects and just moves traffic elsewhere while hitting working class hardest. One of these studies was done in Ireland too with the Local Link service.
What ever happened to carrot and the stick? Now it’s just the stick, encourage dense apartment building in the city, build proper transport infrastructure and you’ll solve the traffic issue
Fix the fucking traffic lights before you do anything else!
The current approach has been to make driving around the city difficult, through the use of bus gates, turn restrictions and some (lets be honest, exceptionally limited) pedestrianisation.
That’s fine, it can be very confusing if you’re not familiar with the city though. But the big place we’re falling down is that we hardly enforce it.
I think for many people a congestion charge would make driving into Dublin on the rare times they need to much easier, while also stopping a lot of the bad behaviour we see now. But we could also solve a lot of that bad behaviour with camera based enforcement of some of the existing rules.
London is a bad comparison as it has the highly developed underground network and is able to keep cars out.
Dublin is a medium, but rapidly growing city with a love of sprawling suburbs and very underinvested public transit infrastructure.
Totally the right time for this given the shelving of public transport projects.
If Dublin had London levels of public transportation nobody would argue with this.
It just doesn’t though.
Yep, a proper working from home policy is badly needed. The actual one is a joke.
All static desk bound public servants esp civil service should be mandated to WFH unless requested to be elsewhere.
Sure glad we had those incessant campaigns against bus lanes and cycle lanes and metro and on and on and on
Im shocked.
Traffic issues in a city with 2 tram lines and an ageing coastal railway, no metro, no densification and very few main arterial roads…
Where’s the bus lane cameras *on* the busses? The €60 fine for all the SUVs that happily use them as their own lane would free up bus lanes overnight, and encourage more people to take the speedy busses?
Don’t you mean “changes needed”.
We just need one more lane!
Such a short sighted suggestion. Let’s compare it to London where they have a decent public transport network.
Like the quays closure and traffic light changes, I can’t understand why you’d put these things in place without an alternative.
It’s like these experts think we want to sit in cars for hours a day.
Bus connect was announced 8 years ago and construction hasn’t started on a single one of the bus corridors
You cannot put charges in place without providing first a viable alternative. This is why light rail and metro systems need to be prioritised. Why are we still pretending this is a debate.
Yeah, we shouldn’t fix the problem.We should charge the consumer more. This is the Irish way.
They need to ban all passenger car traffic between the canals at least during rush hour. I suppose an exception would need to be made for residents somehow.
I walk down South Circular road to work and it’s a car park from 8-10.
Ban cars inside the canals
Remember decentralisation. Is it important to have the department of agriculture in Dublin city centre, fisheries in city west etc? IDA spent decades forcing everyone into Dublin.
Anyone who wants anything other than mid/high-density housing in the Dublin area is a fucking moron.
WFH as the default is possible, more productive, more envirommentally friendly and would make huge improvements to traffic in Dublin and on the M50. The property developers never guessed that office blocks would become unnecessary, but holding back progress for the convenience of executives who can’t be bothered to evolve is so *American*.
There’s a gym at Fairview Clontarf where cars queue to get in ,blocking a bus lane and a cycle path. The dart is next door and buses drive by. It’s accessible by well served public transport. The issue there, which is mirrored across the city, is people prefer sitting in their cars . Whether it’s going to work or school or wherever, traffic is woeful because we prefer cars. Public transport is not always to blame
The whole system is under pressure. As frequent as the new E1 bus is in rush hour, it can be so full that often it can be two or three before I can squeeze on. So even if people did ditch the cars because of a congestion charge, that’s just going to make the bus situation worse.
It’s always charging us more. Instead of making it better.
We aren’t driving for the craic. Our jobs force us to travel in to the office and the public infrastructure either not being present or taking 2-3 times as long as the car forces us into the car.
Charging more won’t fix or make it better for anyone, it’ll just make living harder than it already is.
Put in place a tax on companies with RTO mandates on any role that can be done from home and then put that money into improving public infrastructure.
Red light cameras
No taxis in bus lanes
Public sector jobs stop providing parking in the city centre, start with the TDs or even ex TDs.
Unless there is a specific need it should be made illegal to work from an office rather than WFH
Police bus lanes you dumb cunts. Implement cameras and automatic fines. That should be step one.
If only their was some magical way to have people do their jobs without having to commute?
Not only that, we could build some apartments in the city centre. But…but I hear you say, the “skyline”!?
Nah fuck that. Congestion charges how about we have some competent planners and people in these departments and organizations who can just structure the stuff properly.
Like it’s all rubbish choices and excuses for things seen coming years in advance.
Redirect HGV traffic through Darthmouth Square to solve the problem.
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