That would be illegal as Parliament in Westminster is sovereign. The question should be whether Wales goes independant, which would then make the Welsh Goevrment sovereign. Up until that point Wales has MPs in Parliament who can argue the case and represent their constituents.
Yeah crack on but they can’t be accepting any thing from the central government then.
Yes – though the Welsh legal system may not be able to untangle itself in the way that Scotland’s separate system can.
There’s an old Welsh saying …”you can’t have the penny and the bun”
So by all means depart from Westminster laws…. But the price of that is Wales having to paddle it’s own financial canoe ….. or should that be coracle ?
Full devolution of law, a legal system, and criminal justice to Wales please.
Yet another clickbait nationalist article – policing is not devolved and therefore doesnt need the Welsh gov to enforce UK laws.
Only person refusing is me to read this article.
Maybe our Scottish and Welsh friends should decide on how they want their future to be and ask and vote for it. The consequences of that decision would be theirs whatever they may be.
Wales becoming Independent?!? Long Shanks would burst out his crypt! Lol
Pot kettle, aren’t the Welsh government the ones wanting to bring in a blanket 20mph speed limit on all residential roads?
Should the Welsh Government refuse to enforce ‘authoritarian’ Westminster laws?
Yes.
I mean the goons in the Welsh Assembly just want to draw up their own authoritarian laws without the help from Westminster. I mean, just look at what’s happened for the past two years.
They won’t do anything because it’d set the precedent that they themselves won’t make authoritarian laws should they ever have the power, which they most certainly would – look at Scotland.
Every county, country, province what ever you want to call them should go independent and govern themselves, brexit style. That way the draconian thieves that occupy downing street currently wouldn’t get away with half the crimes they are currently committing. Everybody’s taxes go into government pots but it doesn’t get distributed fairly.
Yes. Wales should push back against the tyranny of English oppression!
Everyone on the planet should refuse to acknowledge immoral laws. Morality>law
The Welsh government has never had any problems enforcing authoritarian laws.
If they want to change UK laws they need to get a majority in the UK Parliament to do that. The reserved powers in the devolution settlements were reserved on purpose.
A public official willfully ignoring laws duly passed by Parliament should be fired/disciplined.
Should the Northern Irish refuse to enforce “authoritarian” Westminster abortion laws?
Same shit, different policy, and our answer needs to be the same – it’s either “Yes, because independent nation legislatures should be sovereign”, or “No, because that would be illegal”.
If a person’s response is not the same for both, they are a hypocrite, who thinks the law should give one response for their beliefs and the opposite response for whatever they disbelieve.
For both options, I side with “No, that would be illegal”, but that’s mainly because I’m a legalist. It doesn’t matter if people don’t like the law, they still are required to enforce it – hence, why The Purge is a work of fiction, and we don’t have a legal defense of “Well, I don’t agree with the law, so I shouldn’t be prosecuted under it”.
It was said “why should they want any sort of self determinism”.
Well they do have a form of self determinism. So they wanted it, and got it. Furthermore initially the Welsh Assembly had very limited powers, and no legislative powers, but since 2011 its powers have increased greatly, including primary legislative powers. Indeed as Ron Davies said when the Assembly was originally set up in 1998, devolution would be a process, with the powers of the Assembly ever growing. That has proved true.
Are these powers limited? Sure, this is devolution, not independence. Complaining that it is not independence makes no sense, no one ever pretended it would be independence. Your implication that the Welsh people want independence is false. If we are talking about democracy and the will of the people, then you should acknowledge that the will of the people, as currently constituted, is to remain in the UK. And by rather large margins.
So you know, if we’re talking about respect for the wishes of the Welsh people, that would include respecting their wishes to remain under the jurisdiction of Westminster.
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only after refusing to accept westminsters money.
That would be illegal as Parliament in Westminster is sovereign. The question should be whether Wales goes independant, which would then make the Welsh Goevrment sovereign. Up until that point Wales has MPs in Parliament who can argue the case and represent their constituents.
Yeah crack on but they can’t be accepting any thing from the central government then.
Yes – though the Welsh legal system may not be able to untangle itself in the way that Scotland’s separate system can.
There’s an old Welsh saying …”you can’t have the penny and the bun”
So by all means depart from Westminster laws…. But the price of that is Wales having to paddle it’s own financial canoe ….. or should that be coracle ?
Full devolution of law, a legal system, and criminal justice to Wales please.
Yet another clickbait nationalist article – policing is not devolved and therefore doesnt need the Welsh gov to enforce UK laws.
Only person refusing is me to read this article.
Maybe our Scottish and Welsh friends should decide on how they want their future to be and ask and vote for it. The consequences of that decision would be theirs whatever they may be.
Wales becoming Independent?!? Long Shanks would burst out his crypt! Lol
Pot kettle, aren’t the Welsh government the ones wanting to bring in a blanket 20mph speed limit on all residential roads?
Should the Welsh Government refuse to enforce ‘authoritarian’ Westminster laws?
Yes.
I mean the goons in the Welsh Assembly just want to draw up their own authoritarian laws without the help from Westminster. I mean, just look at what’s happened for the past two years.
They won’t do anything because it’d set the precedent that they themselves won’t make authoritarian laws should they ever have the power, which they most certainly would – look at Scotland.
Every county, country, province what ever you want to call them should go independent and govern themselves, brexit style. That way the draconian thieves that occupy downing street currently wouldn’t get away with half the crimes they are currently committing. Everybody’s taxes go into government pots but it doesn’t get distributed fairly.
Yes. Wales should push back against the tyranny of English oppression!
Everyone on the planet should refuse to acknowledge immoral laws. Morality>law
The Welsh government has never had any problems enforcing authoritarian laws.
If they want to change UK laws they need to get a majority in the UK Parliament to do that. The reserved powers in the devolution settlements were reserved on purpose.
A public official willfully ignoring laws duly passed by Parliament should be fired/disciplined.
Should the Northern Irish refuse to enforce “authoritarian” Westminster abortion laws?
Same shit, different policy, and our answer needs to be the same – it’s either “Yes, because independent nation legislatures should be sovereign”, or “No, because that would be illegal”.
If a person’s response is not the same for both, they are a hypocrite, who thinks the law should give one response for their beliefs and the opposite response for whatever they disbelieve.
For both options, I side with “No, that would be illegal”, but that’s mainly because I’m a legalist. It doesn’t matter if people don’t like the law, they still are required to enforce it – hence, why The Purge is a work of fiction, and we don’t have a legal defense of “Well, I don’t agree with the law, so I shouldn’t be prosecuted under it”.
It was said “why should they want any sort of self determinism”.
Well they do have a form of self determinism. So they wanted it, and got it. Furthermore initially the Welsh Assembly had very limited powers, and no legislative powers, but since 2011 its powers have increased greatly, including primary legislative powers. Indeed as Ron Davies said when the Assembly was originally set up in 1998, devolution would be a process, with the powers of the Assembly ever growing. That has proved true.
Are these powers limited? Sure, this is devolution, not independence. Complaining that it is not independence makes no sense, no one ever pretended it would be independence. Your implication that the Welsh people want independence is false. If we are talking about democracy and the will of the people, then you should acknowledge that the will of the people, as currently constituted, is to remain in the UK. And by rather large margins.
So you know, if we’re talking about respect for the wishes of the Welsh people, that would include respecting their wishes to remain under the jurisdiction of Westminster.