As you can see, even in it's current position (which might have shifted some meters to the right because of the massive explosion)
The hit on the rear end to this kilo-class sub was nearly spot on!
You can argue it would have been better to hit it elsewhere ? But it has surely taken some severe damage.
*edit*
It was not my intention to administer an intelligence test.
The yellow circles are from the the original edit of Suochomimus (yt video) and shows the escape hatch position and the difference in ride high of both subs.
I edited the picture with the sillouthe of the sub hidden underwater to show that the actual center of the explosion observed by the damage on the peer is nearly where the screw would have been!
Because on his video and all threads here, people said over and over it was way off and did not visual grasp the full lenght of the sub.
by Wide_Fix_7667
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Looks like it has taken on water.
This sub will never run silently ever again, if at all.
Anywhere else would have been worst to hit, since the twin hull and ballast tanks in the front and center would have absorbed a good bit of the shockwave.
The rear end on the other hand has some delicate bits relative to the rest of the submarine, like sealings, rudders, the propeller. All of those don’t like to be bend and under sudden high pressure.
Even though it didn’t sink, the impact on the propeller prevents it from being silent. Well done.
Where’s the rest? “It fell off”
Does this mean 2 submarines taken out now 😂
a hit in the propeller would screw it
Submarines are incredibly fragile.
Built to withstand enormous forces and pressures, they are tested and maintained to the highest standards.
I would suggest there will be damage, how severe, time may tell if there are leaks from the military/civilian repair agencies. But we’ll probably never know and she’ll likely be put in to “routine dry dock maintenance” for years to save face and cover the truth as “non-drone attack, age related defects”.
What I can say, without dry docking and evaluation, this sub is out of action. Even towing it will require in-water survey, and repairs if necessary, which is costly and time consuming. It will also be vulnerable to further attack if she needs to be moved to a different facility.
Complete destruction isn’t always necessary, taking equipment out of the game is still a success.
Apart from anything, it is sitting much lower in the water than previous, quite possibly on the sea bed. Clearly a hull breach and serious flooding…
Looks a lot like shadow from the docks too. I’m surprised Ukraine didn’t send more, that area is target-rich
Oh well, we deeply sorry that our first usage of experimental weapon missed by 12 meters and only done catastrophic damage instead of full destruction. We can promise we’ll improve in the future.
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It appears to be lower in the water but otherwise I can’t tell any difference
These pictures look exactly the same to me. Not sure where you see severe damage.
This was not a direct hit. Wish it was, but it wasnt. Hopeful posts and comments does not lend any credibility to the community, we need to be objective. The sub looks lower in the water than the other sub because the dock is casting a shadow on it. Look at shadows, look how low the sun is on the horizon, shadows are very long. Dock is casting a shadow and is covering some of the sub. Its probably damaged, maybe the prop is fucked, maybe there is some structural damage/cracking – but it was not a direct hit. Be honest with the facts.
Even if it completely missed it would have affected the pressure hull integrity and made it unsuitable for diving. However I’m pretty sure Russian command don’t really care for this type of thing so will send it to sea if possible anyways. If it hasn’t taken on water already, then it definitely will when it dives.
This is the same photo that has been altered. Look at the positions of, well, literally everything and all the shadows. Only the sub has been darkened.
Lol the explosion that close to the dock would send immense shockwaves through the water.
When depth charges explode, it isn’t the blast that does damage. It’s the shockwave through the water.
Better hitting at the rear where the armour is less and a direct route to the inner pressure hull.
this is called пизда рулю
Gotta hand it to them, an explosion like that should’ve blown out the shaft seal (at a minimum) which should have led to catastrophic flooding in the motor room… so either its a pretty tough som bitch, or the crew was able to inflate the emergency seal and control internal flooding… would love to get more info
The biggest ‘tell’ to me is that the RuZZianZ almost immediately put out counter information. The video was taken (assuming it’s not an old picture or video) and in a way that would clearly NOT show the tail end of the submarine. Nothing to see here!
That tells me the submarine got damaged. How and how much are two entirely different questions.
I heard there’s a unit of north Koreans underneath holding it above water
Submarines can sit lower than others for many reasons. Youre looking at a few inches of draft difference between the two. The aft end of the ship takes very little change for water level to come closer to the hatch.
Source: me, a submariner for 9 years.
I have no doubt internal equipment and pipes were FUCKED on that ship and their rudder is probably inop right now. I highly doubt the hull was breached in any way though. They may have slight leakage through the shaft seals but that is easily handled and hardly a real issue
It was a warning shot across the … stern.
This image does a really poor job actually showing what you want to show.
HI Sutton did a video breakdown of the attack and clearly showed the exact location of the hit and even a cut-away diagram showing what compartments would have been destroyed.
You say they could have hit a better spot, but they really couldn’t have. The only potentially better option would have been the other side of the sub, which contains the torpedo bay, but they couldn’t have known if it was loaded at that time, so the best value attack is the engine compartments, which is exactly what they hit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B1WQPyi2Aw
Sorry but you are looking at the shadow of the dock.
It’s sunk to the bottom of the pier due to the massive hole on it rear end, that was a win to me even if it’s didn’t get destroyed completely. They gonna be busy just trying to figure out how to pull up the sub out of the water before even think about repairing it.
Is this the right sub for discussion?
I’m an old USN squid who worked in a rating which operated and maintained systems only installed on Poseidon SSBN submarines.
When I saw the video of this hit, my first thought was to recall seeing the sterns of the boats when they were in drydock. In particular, their unusual propellors. I imagine most will assume that submarines have propellors similar to what they’ve seen on commercial boats and ships – basically three lobes tilted at an angle. But submarine propellors are different; they look more like the multiple blades of a fancy desk fan advertised as being silent.
They’re massive chunks of metal that aren’t delicate in any usual sense of that word, but they are precisely machined so that they make the minimum amount of noise when they turn through the water, and they are exactly balanced so they produce the minimum possible vibration when rotating.
I have no idea what effect the detonation had on the shaft seals, although I’m pretty sure they aren’t in the same condition now as they were last week. Nor do I know if the concussion bashed the drive shaft enough to take it out of true, although that seems possible. But I am pretty sure that a blast that big, that close to the boat’s propellor will have at least bent some of the blades, and that would be sufficient to take the sub out of action.
The sub is sunk at the dock….ie, salt water through probably most of its internal compartments…it’s probably the best kind of ‘sunk’ from a retrieval pov! This sub will stay right where it is for some time until they plug the holes with concrete and chewing gum, pump it out and park it somewhere, waiting for a shitload of ruble to become spare, so they can repair it! So bad news for the crew, put your combat boots on boys! ….you just volunteered for the army!
This is what I said yesterday and was downvoted. It’s clearly sitting on the bottom of the harbor. Even a near miss could have ruptured the shaft seals and sunk it from the engine room. Depth charges don’t need a direct hit to sink a sub so idk why people think the sea baby needed a direct hit.
Probably better to leave them with a headache and hassle than having it sit on the bottom.
I agree, its done significant damage.
Unfortunately the target choice was off, as this particular sub was never going anywhere. Its supposedly a money sink/supply for the Russian Navy, but just sits there doing nothing but forever being “Maintained”.
However, if you wanted to test a new capability you weren’t sure of, that’s a pretty great target that you know is gonna be sat where you want it!
Non-navy person here — could someone please ELI5 what we are looking at and why it matters? I understand OP’s comment that the hit was nearly spot-on, but what do these photos actually show?
The Russian statement that the sub was not damaged does not hold water…unlike the sub, which now definitely does.
I get the urgency of doing this attack but they blew their surprise load on one hit. Would it have not been better to wait for 5-6 sea baby subs to be ready and take out 5-6 targets? Now they’ll put up sub netting to thwart another attack.
You already know what they are saying. It’s a test of a new mobility system. The sub is designed to lean like that so it can out maneuver torpedoes 😂😂😂
In the surveillance camera footage of the attack, I’m fairly confident I could see the sub actually sinking at the stern towards the end of the video.
Even if by some miracle the attack didn’t breach the pressure hull, it still dealt catastrophic damage to the stern of the ship. The stern control surfaces and propeller are screwed (pun intended). The ballast tanks are almost certainly ruptured. Any electronics like a towed array sonar are toast.
All those can be repaired of course, but then you still have to assess the problem of the pressure hull: how much stress did it take, and how will that impact the sub’s ability to withstand diving pressures? Submarine hulls are designed to withstand only a certain definite number of dives. Each dive down and return to the surface is a massive stress cycle on the hull. This explosion subjected the hull to a massive amount of stress that it wasn’t designed for. Even if this submarine is returned to service, her service life and/or maximum diving depth will be reduced.
Even if I’m totally wrong in my assessment here and the sub only took superficial damage at most, Ukraine still pulled off a shocking and well executed attack that deserves high praise.
Why is this even a debate? It’s fucking Russia, all they do is lie. They also said that the Moskva didn’t get hit.
Russia is lying pathologically. It’s a reflex response to any negative news – deny, deflect, defend.
I want it to be true, but one details is bothering me. In the video you see the bright yellow flash of the explosion, witch is not possible with the explosive being underwater.
If it costs millions of dollars to repair and taken out of service for a significant period of time it’s a victory. If it’s totally destroyed it’s a bonus
That sub is now not fictional as a weapon
That sub is toast- look what the explosion did to the pier.
r/submarines
We know what was name of such sub? Rostov on Don it can’t be. List of them isn’t very big.
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