Why not continue that on, build down the M7 and up to the M1? Build a ring road for your ring road. And then when that gets backed up, build another ring road outside that.
Building more ring roads further and further out from the M50 is probably the only way we’ll eventually get a motorway between Limerick and Cork.
Hard to imagine that road not having a toll
A bypass for a bypass for a bypass for a bypassᶠᵒʳ ᵃ ᵇʸᵖᵃˢˢ ᶠᵒʳ ᵃ ᵇʸᵖᵃˢˢ
“All engineers quit just one lane before solving the traffic problem”
Induced demand will see it fill up. The solutions to our problems don’t lie in more roads, they lie in alternatives so that the roads we do have work better.
not enough traffic would be removed from M50 to justify the cost. it would be effective but not effective enough.
The M50 isn’t the problem. Spatial planning Dublin and its hinterland over the last 50 years is the problem.
The issue is all roads leading to Dublin, they need way more rail and a subway. and to divert the population away from Dublin, build up a major city in the midlands
A bypass M51 for the M50 bypassing Dublin City, if you will
Not a dig at you op, but we’ve seen time and again, that more roads is not the way to resolve congestion as it ALWAYS leads to more cars on the road
The only way to remove cars from the roads is to offer viable, more convenient, more cost effective, sustainable modes of transport, whether they be through road space reallocation (bus lanes, bike lanes, paths, filtered permeability) or new off-road infrastructure (rail, metro).
And yes, that includes extensive use of the “stick” and not just the “carrot” as one will not be enough without the other
If we have spare money it should be spent on the rail network
Because it will cost a fortune and still not solve tue problem. The more road you build the more cars it will attract. They just need to get on and build a dependable transport system.
Just. One. More. Lane… please.
The real solution is building good enough public transport to get thousands of cars off the road.
More roads and bigger roads mean more traffic. There may be some merit in this for different reasons, but to sort out our traffic issues, I believe we need something like 50% more buses. They shouldn’t be profit making, they should be providing a service. Run at a loss, get people where they need to on time and get everything moving.
A few thoughts,
You would have to build a bridge across the Liffey, at a technically difficult point.
You would sterilise a massive parcel of land, much of which is earmarked for housing development.
You would induce more traffic on to the road network so any benefit would short lived.
It would cost a fortune as a lot of the land you indicated is zoned for development and therefore very valuable, on top of the cost of the road and the bridge.
The people already living in the m4 to m3 would not like it.
An easier solution would be to invest in public transport and give people an alternative to the car.
Is there anything to be said for building another road?
Just one more lane bro, I swear everything will be fine then.
Because it won’t solve traffic. This is proven, no amount of road building will reduce traffic in a growing city.
And for that you destroy a beautiful natural area
Why build rail when you can build roads!
Man I gotta play sim city again
Lmao build better trains and rails and expand on em. Cars are overrated
Just one more road, please, we can do it, just one more road. One more road will finally get us there, I believe we can do it, just one more road, one, one more, one road.
They – The Government cannot plan their way out of a wet paper bag. Metrolink was conceived back in the late 90s and early 2000s, is it built? No… No backbone, lack of multi year funding for public bodies, no political appetite beyond the next election.
Only one shambolic crises after another. The housing crisis didn’t happen overnight, and you don’t need to be a genius to realise that sacking 60% of the construction industry back in 2010 wasn’t going to have a long term impact and we stopped, wait for it…. Building Houses!!
Of course there is a shortage of plumbers, electricians, plasterers, designers and engineers to actually build and deliver the housing targets.
The election was like a Dutch auction pulling housing numbers out of their arses, 50K anyone? Do I hear 70K, I have 70K now in the room on the left. What’s actually been done, divide by 2.
The Government remind me of Comical Ali during the Iraq War
I though this post was from r/mapporncirclejerk at first
The solution to traffic congestion is not more roads, it’s better public transport. Things like taking a half a lifetime to build a single metro line or adding to the Luas at an average speed of 1.7km per annum since construction started in 2001 might be contributing to our problems.
So you want to build a road cutting through St Catherine’s park?
First off that would be devastating for Leixlip and Lucan. But also there was a bypass suggested to go through that park to allow more houses to be built and there was uproar from locals.
Tl;dr: Nobody wants these roads built in their areas.
How we discuss transport in Ireland, specifically roads:
Working from home and free public transport would eradicate most traffic.Â
Cheaper and easier than building more..Â
See all those red stop signs to the right of it? That’s basically half of what you want. The other half is tricky and they’re trying to work a route around st. Catherine’s park and Lucan village that links up with the n4.
The line you’ve drawn goes right through the middle of st. Catherine’s park. Which is an absolute red line for anyone living in the area as it’s a fantastic social amenity.
Why dont they take the bus
I thought we were all going to be in flying cars soon?
They need to build an M100…
From Greystones through Naas, Maynooth, Ashbourne then directly into Drogheda.
And make it free for comercial vehicles and trucks that are going somewhere else than Dublin…
This every road leads to the M50 stuff was fun but quite dumb. Kinda chokes development of every other city in the country.
Political slagging ignored, I’ve always thought we need an outer ring road circling outside the M50.
Firstly, not through my park cheers.
Secondly, why can’t we just have public transport, remote working and affordable city housing so no horrid motorway has to ruin everything for everyone?
Just think if the state actually got the money from the M50 till what they could actually do instead of a private company
Did you know that when they built the M50, they were told it was too small and that within 20 years, it would end up being extremely busy and cause a lot of delays. They were told at least 4 lanes. They said no, it will work, so far it’s proven to not be working.
The fact they are closing down roads and parts of dublin you can’t drive through now, has also put extra traffic on the M50, imcreased it by 40% since last year, it is now one of the most congested places in the world, more than new York, only difference is new York has 16 times the population of dublin in manhattan alone. Yet we are more congested because we have terrible councils, awful traffic management engineers who are overpaid to do terrible jobs, and a government that never listens to anything productive because they are so out of touch.
We will never get anything ever again to ease any traffic, what we will get is the most hard-line approach on forcing others not to use cars and to cycle and use public transport instead. Public transport that doesn’t exist, public transport or cycling for those living miles away from work. They are catering to the people who live In Dublin city centre, they don’t cater to anybody outside of it.
Dublin is done, there’s nothing good about it any longer. It’s a city designed to be as hard as possible for those who drive and to an absolute joke.
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Because it will just fill up with traffic.Â
Why not continue that on, build down the M7 and up to the M1? Build a ring road for your ring road. And then when that gets backed up, build another ring road outside that.
Building more ring roads further and further out from the M50 is probably the only way we’ll eventually get a motorway between Limerick and Cork.
Hard to imagine that road not having a toll
A bypass for a bypass for a bypass for a bypassᶠᵒʳ ᵃ ᵇʸᵖᵃˢˢ ᶠᵒʳ ᵃ ᵇʸᵖᵃˢˢ
“All engineers quit just one lane before solving the traffic problem”
Induced demand will see it fill up. The solutions to our problems don’t lie in more roads, they lie in alternatives so that the roads we do have work better.
not enough traffic would be removed from M50 to justify the cost. it would be effective but not effective enough.
The M50 isn’t the problem. Spatial planning Dublin and its hinterland over the last 50 years is the problem.
The issue is all roads leading to Dublin, they need way more rail and a subway. and to divert the population away from Dublin, build up a major city in the midlands
A bypass M51 for the M50 bypassing Dublin City, if you will
Not a dig at you op, but we’ve seen time and again, that more roads is not the way to resolve congestion as it ALWAYS leads to more cars on the road
The only way to remove cars from the roads is to offer viable, more convenient, more cost effective, sustainable modes of transport, whether they be through road space reallocation (bus lanes, bike lanes, paths, filtered permeability) or new off-road infrastructure (rail, metro).
And yes, that includes extensive use of the “stick” and not just the “carrot” as one will not be enough without the other
This is the long term govt strategy as per the [Demand Management Strategy](https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-transport/press-releases/new-national-demand-management-strategy-aims-to-reduce-congestion-and-free-up-our-cities-and-towns/) but there’s a lot of politically unpalatable actions in it (congestion charges, parking levies, removal of on street parking etc) so its likely to fail and congestion will remain an ongoing issue for decades to come
Lets build another road
Fuck me when will Ireland ever learn that another road is not the answer
Building train links is the answer, not more fecking roads
The train to Navan, start M3 parkway Dart, put in metro, build more Luas is the answer
Not another fucking road
There is a plan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Orbital_Route
Just one more lane bro.
Orbital Metrolink is a much better idea.
Clongriffin – Airport – Charlestown – Ballycoolin/Sport Ireland – Connolly Hospital – Blanchardstown – Coolmine – Liffey Valley – Fonthill – Clondalkin – Red Cow – Tallaght – Firhouse – Ballyboden – Ballinteer – Sandyford – Galloping Green – Blackrock
Because that’ll fill up with cars too.
If we have spare money it should be spent on the rail network
Because it will cost a fortune and still not solve tue problem. The more road you build the more cars it will attract. They just need to get on and build a dependable transport system.
Just. One. More. Lane… please.
The real solution is building good enough public transport to get thousands of cars off the road.
More roads and bigger roads mean more traffic. There may be some merit in this for different reasons, but to sort out our traffic issues, I believe we need something like 50% more buses. They shouldn’t be profit making, they should be providing a service. Run at a loss, get people where they need to on time and get everything moving.
A few thoughts,
You would have to build a bridge across the Liffey, at a technically difficult point.
You would sterilise a massive parcel of land, much of which is earmarked for housing development.
You would induce more traffic on to the road network so any benefit would short lived.
It would cost a fortune as a lot of the land you indicated is zoned for development and therefore very valuable, on top of the cost of the road and the bridge.
The people already living in the m4 to m3 would not like it.
An easier solution would be to invest in public transport and give people an alternative to the car.
Is there anything to be said for building another road?
Just one more lane bro, I swear everything will be fine then.
Because it won’t solve traffic. This is proven, no amount of road building will reduce traffic in a growing city.
And for that you destroy a beautiful natural area
Why build rail when you can build roads!
Man I gotta play sim city again
Lmao build better trains and rails and expand on em. Cars are overrated
Just one more road, please, we can do it, just one more road. One more road will finally get us there, I believe we can do it, just one more road, one, one more, one road.
They – The Government cannot plan their way out of a wet paper bag. Metrolink was conceived back in the late 90s and early 2000s, is it built? No… No backbone, lack of multi year funding for public bodies, no political appetite beyond the next election.
Only one shambolic crises after another. The housing crisis didn’t happen overnight, and you don’t need to be a genius to realise that sacking 60% of the construction industry back in 2010 wasn’t going to have a long term impact and we stopped, wait for it…. Building Houses!!
Of course there is a shortage of plumbers, electricians, plasterers, designers and engineers to actually build and deliver the housing targets.
The election was like a Dutch auction pulling housing numbers out of their arses, 50K anyone? Do I hear 70K, I have 70K now in the room on the left. What’s actually been done, divide by 2.
The Government remind me of Comical Ali during the Iraq War
I though this post was from r/mapporncirclejerk at first
Induced demand. [https://www.tomtom.com/newsroom/explainers-and-insights/induced-demand-explained/](https://www.tomtom.com/newsroom/explainers-and-insights/induced-demand-explained/)
The solution to traffic congestion is not more roads, it’s better public transport. Things like taking a half a lifetime to build a single metro line or adding to the Luas at an average speed of 1.7km per annum since construction started in 2001 might be contributing to our problems.
A better solution would be to build MetroWest
https://preview.redd.it/uqf3m910ss7g1.png?width=2488&format=png&auto=webp&s=e74f083f4df81a72ebe19f639166adf593f59362
So you want to build a road cutting through St Catherine’s park?
First off that would be devastating for Leixlip and Lucan. But also there was a bypass suggested to go through that park to allow more houses to be built and there was uproar from locals.
Tl;dr: Nobody wants these roads built in their areas.
How we discuss transport in Ireland, specifically roads:
Working from home and free public transport would eradicate most traffic.Â
Cheaper and easier than building more..Â
See all those red stop signs to the right of it? That’s basically half of what you want. The other half is tricky and they’re trying to work a route around st. Catherine’s park and Lucan village that links up with the n4.
The line you’ve drawn goes right through the middle of st. Catherine’s park. Which is an absolute red line for anyone living in the area as it’s a fantastic social amenity.
Why dont they take the bus
I thought we were all going to be in flying cars soon?
They need to build an M100…
From Greystones through Naas, Maynooth, Ashbourne then directly into Drogheda.
And make it free for comercial vehicles and trucks that are going somewhere else than Dublin…
This every road leads to the M50 stuff was fun but quite dumb. Kinda chokes development of every other city in the country.
Political slagging ignored, I’ve always thought we need an outer ring road circling outside the M50.
Firstly, not through my park cheers.
Secondly, why can’t we just have public transport, remote working and affordable city housing so no horrid motorway has to ruin everything for everyone?
Just think if the state actually got the money from the M50 till what they could actually do instead of a private company
Did you know that when they built the M50, they were told it was too small and that within 20 years, it would end up being extremely busy and cause a lot of delays. They were told at least 4 lanes. They said no, it will work, so far it’s proven to not be working.
The fact they are closing down roads and parts of dublin you can’t drive through now, has also put extra traffic on the M50, imcreased it by 40% since last year, it is now one of the most congested places in the world, more than new York, only difference is new York has 16 times the population of dublin in manhattan alone. Yet we are more congested because we have terrible councils, awful traffic management engineers who are overpaid to do terrible jobs, and a government that never listens to anything productive because they are so out of touch.
We will never get anything ever again to ease any traffic, what we will get is the most hard-line approach on forcing others not to use cars and to cycle and use public transport instead. Public transport that doesn’t exist, public transport or cycling for those living miles away from work. They are catering to the people who live In Dublin city centre, they don’t cater to anybody outside of it.
Dublin is done, there’s nothing good about it any longer. It’s a city designed to be as hard as possible for those who drive and to an absolute joke.
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