On paper, he’s right. We need more outstanding state schools whose pupil can compete with those coming from private ones.
Unfortunately, I highly doubt he’s ready to/capable of delivering such change and certainly not in the short/medium term.
To the surprise of nobody….pull the ladder up boys,don’t want the plebs getting in
If we’re aiming for admissions being based on merit why not get rid of independent education entirely?
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Sounds like something someone who is a part of the ‘metropolitan elite’ would say…
The majority of Conservative voters did not go to private school and do not send their kids to private schools, Zahawi has given a clear admission that the majority of Conservative voters are just useful idiots
I spoke to a guy who is very high up in his company, who told me he had a row with someone who sent their kids to Brighton college.
He’d said “if two CVs are in front of me, one from a private school background and one from state, both equally qualified for the job, I’d employ the person from the state education because they would have worked a hell of a lot harder for their grades”.
Apparently that means it’s a waste of money sending them to state school.
For what it’s worth, this guy could easily afford to send his kids to private school but wants them to achieve greatness through hard work and not hand out. Extremely down to earth.
What, mix with the PLEBS! Ewwww!!!
Oxbridge is NOT the problem.
They simply have high standards.
The problem is that state schools often don’t prep children (even the bright ones) well enough to get into Oxbridge.
It’s the same admission process for everyone regardless. You need the same grades, have the same interviews, and the fees are no more than any other Uni.
Public schools absolutely however prep and encourage their students to apply.
Oxbridge should just accept the best students regardless of where they come from (according to standardised tests). You’re not doing the students a favour by admitting them to courses they’re not prepared for.
I don’t think this is unfair at all. From experience, going to a bog standard state school as a bright kid who wants to do well, you are often left to your own devices or your dreams are diminished. A lot of the resources are gone to the kids scraping C grades or just below, so the school can then get a good overall “pass rate” percentage. If you’re a B grade or an A grade student wanting to get an A or A*, there’s often little support.
I wanted to get into Manchester Uni and was told I won’t be able to do it, and was encouraged to go to my local uni, which is not to the standard of Manchester. I got into Bath, but at the detriment of any social life and my mental health. If I had the support, maybe I could have got into Oxbridge or get into Bath with much less pressure.
My brother wanted to go to Bristol, and was repeatedly discouraged by his teachers despite hitting the grades during his mocks. He was getting A*AA and was predicted BBB. Ended up getting A*AA and got into Warwick through adjustment. We were the lucky ones though. I had incredibly bright friends whose dreams were crushed by teachers and did not do as well as they could have.
Oxbridge already ‘tilts’ selection to take in more State pupils.
We got rid of the most pragmatic solution to this program in grammar schools
The Universities aren’t the problem. It’s what your thought at school and the preparation for it.
The unis have their admission requirements sets and it’s down to the schools to recruit and teach the students. It’s not the unjs fault if the schools don’t have a plan or students don’t want to learn.
State school pupils with the same a levels are private school kids do better at uni
Yet despite private schools being about 5% of pupils, Oxford takes nearly 30% of its intake from private schools
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On paper, he’s right. We need more outstanding state schools whose pupil can compete with those coming from private ones.
Unfortunately, I highly doubt he’s ready to/capable of delivering such change and certainly not in the short/medium term.
To the surprise of nobody….pull the ladder up boys,don’t want the plebs getting in
If we’re aiming for admissions being based on merit why not get rid of independent education entirely?
[removed]
Sounds like something someone who is a part of the ‘metropolitan elite’ would say…
The majority of Conservative voters did not go to private school and do not send their kids to private schools, Zahawi has given a clear admission that the majority of Conservative voters are just useful idiots
I spoke to a guy who is very high up in his company, who told me he had a row with someone who sent their kids to Brighton college.
He’d said “if two CVs are in front of me, one from a private school background and one from state, both equally qualified for the job, I’d employ the person from the state education because they would have worked a hell of a lot harder for their grades”.
Apparently that means it’s a waste of money sending them to state school.
For what it’s worth, this guy could easily afford to send his kids to private school but wants them to achieve greatness through hard work and not hand out. Extremely down to earth.
What, mix with the PLEBS! Ewwww!!!
Oxbridge is NOT the problem.
They simply have high standards.
The problem is that state schools often don’t prep children (even the bright ones) well enough to get into Oxbridge.
It’s the same admission process for everyone regardless. You need the same grades, have the same interviews, and the fees are no more than any other Uni.
Public schools absolutely however prep and encourage their students to apply.
Oxbridge should just accept the best students regardless of where they come from (according to standardised tests). You’re not doing the students a favour by admitting them to courses they’re not prepared for.
I don’t think this is unfair at all. From experience, going to a bog standard state school as a bright kid who wants to do well, you are often left to your own devices or your dreams are diminished. A lot of the resources are gone to the kids scraping C grades or just below, so the school can then get a good overall “pass rate” percentage. If you’re a B grade or an A grade student wanting to get an A or A*, there’s often little support.
I wanted to get into Manchester Uni and was told I won’t be able to do it, and was encouraged to go to my local uni, which is not to the standard of Manchester. I got into Bath, but at the detriment of any social life and my mental health. If I had the support, maybe I could have got into Oxbridge or get into Bath with much less pressure.
My brother wanted to go to Bristol, and was repeatedly discouraged by his teachers despite hitting the grades during his mocks. He was getting A*AA and was predicted BBB. Ended up getting A*AA and got into Warwick through adjustment. We were the lucky ones though. I had incredibly bright friends whose dreams were crushed by teachers and did not do as well as they could have.
Oxbridge already ‘tilts’ selection to take in more State pupils.
We got rid of the most pragmatic solution to this program in grammar schools
The Universities aren’t the problem. It’s what your thought at school and the preparation for it.
The unis have their admission requirements sets and it’s down to the schools to recruit and teach the students. It’s not the unjs fault if the schools don’t have a plan or students don’t want to learn.
State school pupils with the same a levels are private school kids do better at uni
Yet despite private schools being about 5% of pupils, Oxford takes nearly 30% of its intake from private schools