I do feel for Starmer a bit, to many on the left he’s too right wing, and now he’s being told he’s too far left for voters. I also am not aware of him being particularly ‘woke’.
I also hate how widespread that word has become, it just sounds ridiculous.
Woke as a term means nothing now. Its so nebulous and imprecise it can basically mean whatever the person using it wants it to mean.
Tony Blair should be in prison and not commenting on the politics of the party that he helped to destroy.
Not sure he ever instigates “woke” politics. Normally he just reacts to the ridiculous Tory culture wars
In short: become even more tory-light than you already are. It is cowardly advice – the last thing our democracies need is sitting on the fence and bowing our ethics to populist right wing rhetoric that all topics which should force us to look in the mirror are woke and part of a cancel culture. But apparently it’s preferable to join them if you can’t beat them.
At this point the entirity of social politics appears to be a no win situation for Labour, they are either too “woke” according to some or to much like a Tory.
Maybe drop talking about pretty much all of it and focus soley on the economy.
I have no idea why Blair keeps popping up, why do the press make his words seem of any importance is beyond me.
Brilliant news for Starmer. Everyone’s first reaction to anything he says is ‘well, fuck Tony Blair’, so this might help him out enormously.
When he couldn’t say that only women have cervix’s or that women don’t have penises it’s painful.
He’s definitely not the worst but there’s a perception about his party that he has to shake off, not a popular opinion on Reddit but average joe in the pub won’t vote for someone who thinks men get pregnant or have cocks to educate their kids or run the NHS.
Tbf I think that is now the Achilles heel of the labour party. Traditional labour supporters don’t identify with ‘woke’ but I bet they do believe in fairness
Labour has been labour’s worst enemy for years.
There is sections of the labour party that would jeopardise an election win rather than see a leader they dont 100% agree with in power.
Say what you like about Blair, but hes the only labour leader who has been able to enact ANY labour polices into law.
The right fall in line , the left fall in love
The UK needs someone who isn’t a conservative to get elected, and that person then needs to get the country away from FPTP voting and replace it with representational voting similar to that of New Zealand’s. If that person has to make themselves look more appealing to the public temporarily just to get into a position to make positive changes, then so be it.
If Starmer and his policies are “Woke” then the word has lost any meaning it had.
What “woke” politics does Starmer even support?
Does Blair want him to just become a full blown reactionary or what?
Ahh yes, the ‘woke’ issues, an empty term drawn up by right wingers to disarm any meaningful challenge to dispute current policies; from BLM to climate change, kids school lunchs to womens rights. I guess anything outside of business-first economics is now woke. I imagine Women’s voting and gay marriage alongside any historic civil movements would have also been considered woooooke.
Totally agree. Deciding which bathroom trans people get to use is a minuscule, irrelevant issue compared to the housing crisis, the inflation crisis, the cost-of-living crisis, increases in taxation, the lack of economic growth, and the stagnation of wages.
Trans rights and environmental policies are the kind of thing that you sneak through once you’re in power, not the kind of thing that you put on the manifesto while trying to gain power.
Wait, this article implies Corbyn and the “Corbynistas” are responsible for being overly woke?
So The Guardian spent years painting Corbyn as a hateful and racist bigot, but he’s also overly woke which is an ideology pushing equality at any cost.
It’s hard to keep up with what negative brush the press try and paint Corbyn with.
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Starmer being called “woke” just shows how fascism is becoming normalised in this country.
>As an example of the kind of radical policy he would like to see, Blair suggests tackling concerns about illegal immigration by introducing biometric ID as a precondition for accessing work and public services.
What in the name of the ever-living fuck is his seemingly endless fascination with biometric ID. He was banging on about this back in 2006 and nobody wanted it then.
Talk about the sheer vapidity of centrism. In this day and age of relentless grinding poverty and inequality, he thinks this is the best example of a radical, vote-winning policy?
These people are on a different planet.
Most working class people want better working conditions, better NHS, cheaper cost of living.
One of the thing labour has been focussing on the past years is trans rights (miniscule issue of a tiny fraction of the overall population).
Add to that that a lot of the younger labour folks are raging socialists who constantly talk about turning the UK into some kind of dystopian socialist paradise.
The average ‘worker’ doesn’t care too much about someone’s 5’th set of pronouns in London.
Much as it pains me to say it, Blair’s not wrong. Woke-baiting loses more people than it gains. It’s a bit rich coming from Blair, as his government poneered identity politics as a way to build an identity for the left in a manner that was no longer tied to left-wing economics, but in the current political climate Starmer would benefit from ignoring identity issues as much as he ignores Brexit issues. It only has the potential to divide people.
What, like spending 100s of millions of tax payer money on war crimes?
Fuck off Blair with your “woke” politics. Being woke is a good thing – it means you are empathetic of other people’s lives. We know you are a Blue in Red clothing you don’t need to constantly remind us.
Of course Tony Blair would tell the current leader to be less ‘woke’. What a massive dong.
Let’s not forget that Tony Blair idea of focusing on economy is just neoliberalism – which is most of the reason the things are as terrible as they are right now. I guess pushing for more neoliberal policies will make Daddy Murdoch happier and in turn lead the totally unbiased papers to support Starmer. That’s what ‘electable’ means right? Pandering to rich oligarchs at the cost of your own ethics.
Can the resident uk war criminal please shut up? I repeat: can the resident uk war criminal please shut up? We’ve gonna have a problem here.
Why does blair keep flapping his mouth and why papers keep reporting it? It doesn’t help labour’s chances, probably that’s why.
Hearing boomers use “woke” gives me such bad physical pain.
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I do feel for Starmer a bit, to many on the left he’s too right wing, and now he’s being told he’s too far left for voters. I also am not aware of him being particularly ‘woke’.
I also hate how widespread that word has become, it just sounds ridiculous.
Woke as a term means nothing now. Its so nebulous and imprecise it can basically mean whatever the person using it wants it to mean.
Tony Blair should be in prison and not commenting on the politics of the party that he helped to destroy.
Not sure he ever instigates “woke” politics. Normally he just reacts to the ridiculous Tory culture wars
In short: become even more tory-light than you already are. It is cowardly advice – the last thing our democracies need is sitting on the fence and bowing our ethics to populist right wing rhetoric that all topics which should force us to look in the mirror are woke and part of a cancel culture. But apparently it’s preferable to join them if you can’t beat them.
At this point the entirity of social politics appears to be a no win situation for Labour, they are either too “woke” according to some or to much like a Tory.
Maybe drop talking about pretty much all of it and focus soley on the economy.
I have no idea why Blair keeps popping up, why do the press make his words seem of any importance is beyond me.
Brilliant news for Starmer. Everyone’s first reaction to anything he says is ‘well, fuck Tony Blair’, so this might help him out enormously.
When he couldn’t say that only women have cervix’s or that women don’t have penises it’s painful.
He’s definitely not the worst but there’s a perception about his party that he has to shake off, not a popular opinion on Reddit but average joe in the pub won’t vote for someone who thinks men get pregnant or have cocks to educate their kids or run the NHS.
Tbf I think that is now the Achilles heel of the labour party. Traditional labour supporters don’t identify with ‘woke’ but I bet they do believe in fairness
Labour has been labour’s worst enemy for years.
There is sections of the labour party that would jeopardise an election win rather than see a leader they dont 100% agree with in power.
Say what you like about Blair, but hes the only labour leader who has been able to enact ANY labour polices into law.
The right fall in line , the left fall in love
The UK needs someone who isn’t a conservative to get elected, and that person then needs to get the country away from FPTP voting and replace it with representational voting similar to that of New Zealand’s. If that person has to make themselves look more appealing to the public temporarily just to get into a position to make positive changes, then so be it.
If Starmer and his policies are “Woke” then the word has lost any meaning it had.
What “woke” politics does Starmer even support?
Does Blair want him to just become a full blown reactionary or what?
Ahh yes, the ‘woke’ issues, an empty term drawn up by right wingers to disarm any meaningful challenge to dispute current policies; from BLM to climate change, kids school lunchs to womens rights. I guess anything outside of business-first economics is now woke. I imagine Women’s voting and gay marriage alongside any historic civil movements would have also been considered woooooke.
Totally agree. Deciding which bathroom trans people get to use is a minuscule, irrelevant issue compared to the housing crisis, the inflation crisis, the cost-of-living crisis, increases in taxation, the lack of economic growth, and the stagnation of wages.
Trans rights and environmental policies are the kind of thing that you sneak through once you’re in power, not the kind of thing that you put on the manifesto while trying to gain power.
Wait, this article implies Corbyn and the “Corbynistas” are responsible for being overly woke?
So The Guardian spent years painting Corbyn as a hateful and racist bigot, but he’s also overly woke which is an ideology pushing equality at any cost.
It’s hard to keep up with what negative brush the press try and paint Corbyn with.
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Starmer being called “woke” just shows how fascism is becoming normalised in this country.
>As an example of the kind of radical policy he would like to see, Blair suggests tackling concerns about illegal immigration by introducing biometric ID as a precondition for accessing work and public services.
What in the name of the ever-living fuck is his seemingly endless fascination with biometric ID. He was banging on about this back in 2006 and nobody wanted it then.
Talk about the sheer vapidity of centrism. In this day and age of relentless grinding poverty and inequality, he thinks this is the best example of a radical, vote-winning policy?
These people are on a different planet.
Most working class people want better working conditions, better NHS, cheaper cost of living.
One of the thing labour has been focussing on the past years is trans rights (miniscule issue of a tiny fraction of the overall population).
Add to that that a lot of the younger labour folks are raging socialists who constantly talk about turning the UK into some kind of dystopian socialist paradise.
The average ‘worker’ doesn’t care too much about someone’s 5’th set of pronouns in London.
Much as it pains me to say it, Blair’s not wrong. Woke-baiting loses more people than it gains. It’s a bit rich coming from Blair, as his government poneered identity politics as a way to build an identity for the left in a manner that was no longer tied to left-wing economics, but in the current political climate Starmer would benefit from ignoring identity issues as much as he ignores Brexit issues. It only has the potential to divide people.
What, like spending 100s of millions of tax payer money on war crimes?
Fuck off Blair with your “woke” politics. Being woke is a good thing – it means you are empathetic of other people’s lives. We know you are a Blue in Red clothing you don’t need to constantly remind us.
Of course Tony Blair would tell the current leader to be less ‘woke’. What a massive dong.
Let’s not forget that Tony Blair idea of focusing on economy is just neoliberalism – which is most of the reason the things are as terrible as they are right now. I guess pushing for more neoliberal policies will make Daddy Murdoch happier and in turn lead the totally unbiased papers to support Starmer. That’s what ‘electable’ means right? Pandering to rich oligarchs at the cost of your own ethics.
Can the resident uk war criminal please shut up? I repeat: can the resident uk war criminal please shut up? We’ve gonna have a problem here.
Why does blair keep flapping his mouth and why papers keep reporting it? It doesn’t help labour’s chances, probably that’s why.
Hearing boomers use “woke” gives me such bad physical pain.