So looking at the link he provides if we all lived off peas, grain, potatoes and rape oil we could feed 200m of us.
Sounds wonderful.
Best I could do is mostly-vegan.
Got to be honest, 200 million people all cramming into this rainy isle eating nothing but grains and rape oil sounds like a very grim prospect indeed.
Everyone seems to be missing the point that if we stayed below 100m we could rewild the majority of our nature depleted island.
At the moment we are the worst in Europe for water health and 189th out of 220 in the world for biodiversity.
Because animal farming has completely destroyed our natural and wild habitats.
I saw this on another sub. Its always funny how triggered people get by the word “vegan”
People over on the other sub be getting MAAAAD. I imagine this post will turn out the same lol
ITT: Why we’re doomed as a species.
A vegan planet sounds too much, no offence to vegans
I often wonder if we banned say beef and sheep farming what our countryside would actually look like.
Like for example round me there are plenty of hills useless for crops but great for sheep. Re wilding that without human intervention would be nothing but heather and gorse and likely a fuck load of fires.
Be interesting to see right enough.
I wonder how the numbers stack up if everyone was a vegetation ?
I only ask, because as a meat eater I’d find vegetarianism a much easier step
Vegans are 100% right.
Slight observation. I do find it interesting how in regards to say housing there’s a general consensus on this sub against the ‘I have mine” mentality. But not when it comes to the environment, in fact there seems to be a full embracing of that mentality.
The usual pushback from meatfiends is that “well the countryside wouldn’t look like it does without animal users (farmers) keeping it that way.
I agree with them. I wouldn’t have to see so many green deserts, fields and fields barren of wildlife or dead rivers.
The animal user genuinely thinks the dead countryside looks nice that way.
Again, people reacting to the symptoms and not the root cause. The obvious solution has to be cannibalism.
If we implement veganism, we are able to reclaim about 75 % of the land that is currently used to grow animal feed etc. Globally, that corresponds to an area the size of North America and Brazil combined. That itself reduces emissions enormously, but we then can also rewild those vast areas of land. If we restore wild ecosystems on just 15 % of that land, we save about 60 % of the species expected to go extinct. We then also are able to sequester about 300 petagrams of carbon dioxide. That is nearly a third of the total atmospheric carbon increase since the industrial revolution. Now let’s say we were not so conservative, and we brought that up to returning 30 % of the agricultural land to the wild. That would mean that more than 70 % of presently expected extinctions could be avoided, and *half* of the carbon released since the industrial revolution could be absorbed.
So basically by implementing a switch to veganism, we would not just halt but *reverse* global warming. That and it would also be a step towards ending our violence against non-human animals.
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So looking at the link he provides if we all lived off peas, grain, potatoes and rape oil we could feed 200m of us.
Sounds wonderful.
Best I could do is mostly-vegan.
Got to be honest, 200 million people all cramming into this rainy isle eating nothing but grains and rape oil sounds like a very grim prospect indeed.
Everyone seems to be missing the point that if we stayed below 100m we could rewild the majority of our nature depleted island.
At the moment we are the worst in Europe for water health and 189th out of 220 in the world for biodiversity.
Because animal farming has completely destroyed our natural and wild habitats.
I saw this on another sub. Its always funny how triggered people get by the word “vegan”
People over on the other sub be getting MAAAAD. I imagine this post will turn out the same lol
ITT: Why we’re doomed as a species.
A vegan planet sounds too much, no offence to vegans
I often wonder if we banned say beef and sheep farming what our countryside would actually look like.
Like for example round me there are plenty of hills useless for crops but great for sheep. Re wilding that without human intervention would be nothing but heather and gorse and likely a fuck load of fires.
Be interesting to see right enough.
I wonder how the numbers stack up if everyone was a vegetation ?
I only ask, because as a meat eater I’d find vegetarianism a much easier step
Vegans are 100% right.
Slight observation. I do find it interesting how in regards to say housing there’s a general consensus on this sub against the ‘I have mine” mentality. But not when it comes to the environment, in fact there seems to be a full embracing of that mentality.
The usual pushback from meatfiends is that “well the countryside wouldn’t look like it does without animal users (farmers) keeping it that way.
I agree with them. I wouldn’t have to see so many green deserts, fields and fields barren of wildlife or dead rivers.
The animal user genuinely thinks the dead countryside looks nice that way.
Again, people reacting to the symptoms and not the root cause. The obvious solution has to be cannibalism.
If we implement veganism, we are able to reclaim about 75 % of the land that is currently used to grow animal feed etc. Globally, that corresponds to an area the size of North America and Brazil combined. That itself reduces emissions enormously, but we then can also rewild those vast areas of land. If we restore wild ecosystems on just 15 % of that land, we save about 60 % of the species expected to go extinct. We then also are able to sequester about 300 petagrams of carbon dioxide. That is nearly a third of the total atmospheric carbon increase since the industrial revolution. Now let’s say we were not so conservative, and we brought that up to returning 30 % of the agricultural land to the wild. That would mean that more than 70 % of presently expected extinctions could be avoided, and *half* of the carbon released since the industrial revolution could be absorbed.
So basically by implementing a switch to veganism, we would not just halt but *reverse* global warming. That and it would also be a step towards ending our violence against non-human animals.
References:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2784-9
https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/10/rewilding-farmland-can-protect-biodiversity-and-sequester-carbon-new-study-finds
https://ourworldindata.org/land-use-diets
I like meat, I will continue to eat it and I know full well where it comes from.
Your gran is probably wizened up and tough as an old pair of army boots so yes probably.
I’m sure the Guardian only publish this nutcase for a laugh, he also thought Jeremy Corbyn was the greatest politician in the history of the world.
Live in the pod and eat the bugs so they can import another 130 million migrants.
The point of dog fighting is gambling, it’s not to eat the dogs afterwards.
But muh bacon
That beyond meat stuff is nice. Make it low fat and salt and cheap and still be tasty and we’re on!!
That’s great, but what happens when there are more than 200 million people? which won’t be very long with
population exponential growth
200 million vegan farts
Monbiot is a loon
Do we need to feed 200 million people?
Could we instead feed fewer people but eat nicer food (like we are doing)?
Laughable nonsense for the underinformed and overconfident.