US offers Ukraine 15-year security guarantee as part of peace plan, Zelenskyy says

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1. This is even more worthless then NATO, USA wont protect shit in EU. That much was made clear.

2. Just enough to extract the minerals and throw them under the bus again.

3. Don’t take the deal.

   I wouldn’t trust the USA for 15minutes with Trump in charge.

4. Didn’t Ukraine already have security guarantees that turned out to be fake and have forever changed the face of nuclear non-proliferation initiatives? You mean that agreement which is now sparking the beginning of nuclear armament?

5. There is in no way US would fight with Russia for Ukraine, heck it’s not even willing to fight Russia for its European NATO members.

6. Experience shows the Cheeto’s guarantees guarantee nothing.

7. A guarantee from America is about as much use as a marzipan dildo.

8. These meetings are useless. Trumps guarantees are recognised globally as completely meaningless. And what the fuck was Junk doing giving Putin a two-hour briefing prior to Zelensky’s arrival.
   He should be in hand-cuffs with his pants pulled down live on camera.

9. I think I would be an idiot to take this offer

10. Don’t trust what Donnie says

11. The problem is obviously being previewed at the same time: the Trump administration will side with Putins account rather than go to war. Thought this war going back to Crimea and MH17, Putin just smiles and denies. So it will continue with the extra weight that Trump will blame Ukraine for any future attack.

12. Shouldn’t they be throwing the idea of a peace plan to Russia since they are the aggressor?

13. Plenty of time for Russia to rebuild its armed forces.

14. It’s a lie. Trump’s word is only as good as a kernel of corn in an outhouse.

15. What are the punishments for Russia? What do they have to give up? Who will pay for the damage done to Ukraine?

    It seems like Ukraine is the loser one way or another.

16. I don’t see how this actually ends without NATO peacekeeping boots on the ground in Ukraine given the circumstances, so Putin refusing to allow that shows he’s not being serious at all about ending this. It’s just political theatre for him so he can tell his supporters he “tried” but the other side just aren’t being reasonable.

    Without a true deterrent that forcefully triggers a larger war if he tries to invade again, security guarantees don’t mean a fucking thing if we’re keeping it real. Ukraine already had a security guarantee from Russia (Budapest Memorandum) and Russia completely ignored that commitment, and the UK and US sat by watching them get pummelled for months before really engaging even in serious weapon supply/ intel at a minimum.

17. I can literally guarantee you guys that Russia will attack them again, even if they’re a treaty

18. Trump can not be trusted. His word means nothing.

    I have my doubts that he would honor his NATO commitment if Russia attacks Europe. So definitely not Ukraine.

    As a Canadian, I worry every night thar nut has another “moment” and decides to annex us for our water, minerals and oil.

    Nothing he says is true …. he can not be trusted.

19. Ask Sitting Bull how those usually work out.

20. Trump is the epitome of “Promise everything, deliver nothing”

21. Everything’s a subscription plan these days

22. Putin is going to circle this day in his calendar.

23. Trusting the US is always a big mistake. Even more so these days.

24. Worthless so long as the GOP are in power.

25. What sense does this even make? Shouldn’t “guarantees” be wishful thinking enough that DT could just promise whatever, like 99 years or something? 

    I mean, 15 years sounds straight up like “you get this much time to prepare and we don’t care what happens later”

26. Lol he knows what Trump’s promises are worth.

27. Trump lies like other people breathe

28. Ya sure. Just enough time for putin to get more ammo and soldiers for the next attack.

29. US and Russia both offered security guarantees when Ukraine gave up its nukes. How’d that work out for them?

30. Neither Trump nor Putin can be trusted. Ever.

    Ukraine, you in trouble girl.

31. You can’t trust the u s government.

32. Dude this would last like three years and then ya “sorry we can’t continue helping when your existence is a threat”

33. DON’T TRUST IT!

34. Nothing from the trump administration can be trusted. They lie more easily than they breathe.

35. American promises are worth as much as Russian ones at this point.

36. Trump has damaged America’s credibility so much that American promises are pretty meaningless at this point.

37. Trump’s promises are less credible than Putin’s

38. 15 years is long enough for Trump to die and the Republicans to melt down.

    Then we may get a mature, professional US government that changes this to something a lot more progressive.

39. Trumps word is shit. 

40. Not that long ago Russia also promised to protect Ukraine, yet here we are.
    Pretty clear already that any so-called promises or guarantees made by the shit show of an administration sadly means a sweet fuck all.

41. Let’s see, the current agreement isn’t working, so why should this one?

42. The US cannot be relied upon by Allies as Trump has frequently stated publicly. He publicly repudiated Article 5 already. Only enemies and dictatorships can trust us, never again should rule of law countries view the US as being all that much better than Russia. Sure, some mid and low level American NATO officers keep working away and assuring people we are still in. Their relative powerlessness and the clear signs that the US views rule of law republics as the great Satan makes that mean very damned little when push comes to shove.

    No longterm peace with Russia is even possible under any imaginable set of facts or circumstances for any nation and it virtually never has been. Lavrov and Putin made that clear repeatedly by word and deed for decades. Any likely successor will be the same or worse and it is childish to pretend otherwise after centuries of consistent expansionist genocide that makes Imperial and Nazi Germany’s entire legacy look like short term dilettante amateurs at totalitarianism.

    I get that careless and lazy people are all ‘just get any ceasefire at any price and it has to be good’, but that happened around 2015 already and it didn’t turn out good at all. The endless list of second war of this and second war of that just in the past 40 years tells you all you need to know about this terminator never ceasing to say “I’ll be back.” Remember that Russia will be reloading too.

43. A guarantee by Donald Trump is worth nothing.

44. I’m from the US I wouldn’t trust Trump to shit in his pants and that’s what he’s best at.

45. A Trump guarentee is about as good as a paper straw left in your drink for 15min.

    Worthless.

46. The us can guarantee all it wants, trump doesn’t honor agreements of any kind so any agreement made is pointless.

47. You mean like the US did like last time and failed to uphold the end of deal.

48. They can take that to the bank…didn’t the US already give Ukraine a security guarantee when they gave up their nuclear weapons? Everyone knows what an agreement with Trump is worth.

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