Ireland must encourage larger families and higher migration as birth rates fall, report warns
by chuckleberryfinnable
Ireland must encourage larger families and higher migration as birth rates fall, report warns
by chuckleberryfinnable
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The experts here will tell you alternating things to do each passing year. We’re either being too close minded to immigration, or else we need to curb immigration
We need to reduce our national herd for climate reasons,, on second thought, let’s import beef from countries that level rainforests and have little to no animal welfare laws, so that we can sell heaps of cars to Brazil
Own nothing, travel and be happy,,
On second thought, you should have been saving for a deposit because it’s unlikely you’ll ever get a house now
They don’t care about you, they don’t care about Ireland, and they really couldn’t care less about the climate
The machine needs more fuel.
Remove sex education from the schools curriculum, ban contraception and encourage underage drinking.
Simple
/s
Can we operate a licensing system so that only parents who instill a level of repect in their kids can procate?
I dont know how you can effectively encourage larger families. It would be like uninventing the wheel.
In the modern world, with opportunities and education for women, it seems vast majority of people worldwide only want 0-2 children.
Need to fix the major causes such as lack of housing, soaring housing costs pushing back age when people start having children, high child care costs and more supports.
Yeah I’m sure the current government will do everything it can to help young families 😂
Why are they building such massive schools? Who can afford all these children we are supposed to have?
And raise them in what home, and put them in what creche, and what school?
This is entirely anecdotal but I was in school with multiple kids who came from families of five or six. Parents were probably comfortable enough financially but were by no means the 1%. I’m in my late 20s. I don’t know anyone now, cousins, older family friends, who has more than two kids. I know the UK went that way years ago so maybe it’s just the natural progression of things. But I can’t help think it’s because of housing and the cost of living.
Housing, childcare and salary growth (by stimulating growth) are the only ways to encourage people to have kids
The way it’s moving I fear that having children will be seen either as a sign of wealth or state dependency.
Fear not lads, modular housing sheds are going to ease the housing crisis. Start cranking out kids.
Ireland has made little to no effort to support families. Children and childcare are infeasibly expensive. If you want people to have children give them real incentives like higher tax credits, tax deductible expenses, and significant welfare benefits including heavily subsidised or paid childcare. My wife and I were lucky enough to live in a small two up two down. We welcomed our first child and we could all just about fit happily in our small house. When we welcomed our second we basically ran out of space and we sold up and bought a three bed. It has financially crippled us. We have no pensions, we can’t afford clothes or anything more than basic necessities, we are seriously constrained in our grocery shopping. We have had to make fundamental life changes to arrange to work a job and a half between us rather than two jobs, and at various stages spent the equivalent of a second mortgage on childcare just to have time to work. We are stressed and sick all the time. And this is two people who are generally in good health, have good jobs, love and wanted kids. We love our kids more than anything and wouldn’t change a thing. We literally spend about 80% of our income on our kids if you include housing. I would absolutely not recommend having kids if you want financial, health, personal, and mental stability and peace. And certainly no more than two.
The whole notion of eternal growth needs to end. Having a larger younger base to pay for the older non-workers is popular because then politicians don’t have to do fiscal planning. The path forward for the country is the same as what is recommended for individuals. Plan and save. Particularly on an island with finite resources and space. The goal should be a stable population and a well funded sovereign reserve.
Is there anything to be said for saying another papal mass?
Sure they can all live in cardboard boxes down by the local Aldi or in their nearest field.
Too expensive, I’ve 3 kids and I’m broke with now 4 dependants – its a horrible situation and I would advise start up families to stay small
Grown adults are forced to house share due to astronomical rents. What family could afford a 3 bed required to raise a family.
Tax breaks and no income tax after a certain number of kids is the best way forward. Also. subsidised childcare
Mass Migration just causes more problems than it solves.
Lovely bit of ragebait to start the week, thanks IT
Jesus. Maybe make a life possible for young people in Ireland instead of outsourcing people who are willing to put up with all the shite.
We actively disincentivise non state dependent people from having kids.
What did they expect would happen.
I had twins, I replaced myself and my husband at once.
I’ve done my part.
This expert report seems very strange in its recommendations of policies that should increase fertility. As far as I’m aware, the evidence from dozens of countries and decades of policies is that efforts by governments to increase the fertilty rate do basically nothing, at a high cost to public finances.
Odd for such a report to government to be implying there’s much the state can do to influence people’s decisions to have kids. Plenty of places have already tried showering people with incentives with no results.
Economy prevents all that…same falling birth rates all over western Europe and even China for the same reasons…it’s a poor economic decisionÂ
Presumably the title is meant to say higher immigration – otherwise it’d be doing fuck all for the falling birth rates if more people leave
We have too many people or too little people which is it?
Get your hole for Ol’ Ireland!
Or do they actually mean provide state funded childcare for working or studying mothers?
Clueless. No home ownership, living at the behest of the landlord, no childcare, wages plundered each month at the whim of utility companies and then there’s the ever rising but never checked rising cost of every day living.
Growing families is good, growing networks is good, growing migration is good…but every one of those points needs infrastructure and investment. All of that is completely doable. But without the backbone of a state that can support mentally, physically, socially and economically with good planning, we are just shitting in holes that are dug by bad ideas. So much is actually doable with willing and strategic resources and investments.
Have kids while your living with mammy & daddy.Â
Myself and my siblings are in our 30s. We don’t have any children yet as we simply can’t afford to. Especially with everything getting more and more expensive. I feel like it’s never going to happen. My dad came from a big family, 4 brothers and 3 sisters. I’m starting to feel like those days are long gone.
I’m educated and have what should be a comfortable wage. We have a small mortgage. We are privileged in many ways.
We have one child and we’re paycheck to paycheck.
No thanks. Not everyone wants kids and also what on earth will motivate me to have kids in this world and at this age?
All their taxes and high cost of living coming back to bite them in the ass. Have more kids, go fuck yourself.
People tend to have children when they are hopeful for the future. If you’re in your mid thirties living with your partner in your childhood bedroom do you really want to bring a child into that? The government is gaslighting the young people of Ireland with this report. Stop being poor and have kids to finance my pension while my house grows to 15x what I paid for it plebs!
A simple start would be encouraging families to have kids through better maternity and paternity benefits. Much better use of public funds than we’re putting into our IPA machine.
Housing is f$^%ed, but I know a lot of couples that have a home that would have more kids if pressure for (mostly the woman) wasn’t there to return to work so quickly.
The gas lighting continues
Headline should should start with “Industry heads and share holders think…”
Making babies in the box room at me ma’s gaff. Sounds like the title of a Fontaines DC song.
I work full time and could not afford a dog at the minute
Do what Poland does low to no tax for couples who have a child and work
The average Irish family size are gonna be normalise do a maximum of two kids purely due to the feasibility of requiring a car seat until the child is at least 36kg or 150cm tall. Rural homes had 4 kids in the 80’s and 90’s. 3 kids in the 00’s and 10’s. And now 2 kids for the remainder of 20’s. The car seat legislation has just come in. Families in cities are smaller again.
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