Don’t worry folks. Garda stations are still operating with paper folders and ancient Comms rooms. The Boston scientific hell bots are a while off yet.
How accurate is facial recognition?
As long as they don’t go beating down doors and dragging off suspects on the say so of an algorithm.
Probably still running on windows 7 yet
> The technology is used by the Metropolitan Police to help locate people on watchlists sought by investigators as a real-time aid to prove whether a person has supplied false or misleading details or as a retrospective system to establish someone’s identity.
I assume there’s a typo here cause this doesn’t make much sense to me.
And aside from that, how exactly does using facial recognition help in solving murders? Surely if the officers have the cctv footage anyway they can then process it themselves? Facial recognition would only really help, imo, when processing cctv in real-time. I’d be highly suspect of this as the examples in the article are solving murders, catching child predators and exonerating innocent people. Yeah right…
Ubiquitous surveillance state (like the Brits) in a few years so.
I could pick out Helen McEntees head in a crowd from about 500 yards
Any AI surveillance scheme is always suspicious, regardless of intent.
I no likey where this will be going combined with Chat Control.
Well, there’s no way this could go wrong
Until we have robot cops to go out and do the arrests, this won’t have any impact.
The response to “can we invade your privacy to do X? It’s okay, if you’re innocent you have nothing to fear” should always be ‘hell fucking no’.
Oh no! Maybe the habitual wearing of some sort of face coverings will become common place. Unimaginable!
considering the back end system of the gardai is the one used by american police in the 1980s and is yet to be updated, i don’t think this will help
>Ms McEntee is also expected to tell gardaí today that national security and public safety must override the right to privacy in certain instances.
There’s the aul “national security” and “public safety” must override right to privacy line as if Ireland hasn’t been grand for the last 10-20 years when terrorism has been rampant.
The technology seems grand but I’m just not sure I have much faith in Gardai to abuse it in some way.
The safeguards and punishments surrounding would need to be fairly rock-solid.
There is always a good plausible benign reason for this type of stuff.
Then again these are the people who recorded phone calls in police stations so they could listen in on prisoners and solicitors. Had tusla make accidental cut and paste errors against McCabe.
You do know that the OSI office and AnPost are having cenis data to give marketing insights to banks and businesses.
As long as it’s used in the following situations.
– CCTV footage is only of a crime that has been reported or part of an investigation.
– Any matches is not automatically used as evidence that the person matched is the person committing the crime.
In that situation it will save the guards loads of time trying to find people who look similar.
But if UK style where everyone is monitored live is a really bad idea.
I do not want to live in a surveillance state like china fuck that for a bag of spanner’s, this crap will never be used for its advertised purposes and the Garda already have more power than they should rightly have.
Haha. Irish people can’t even accept a national id card. No way they will accept this.
I thought that was against eu policy?
Jesus I really don’t like Helen McEntee, she’s really trying to piss away civil liberties. She’s also hellbent on giving the Gardaí more power, when they objectively don’t deserve more power and can’t be trusted with more power.
McEntee & Emer Higgins, birds of a feather
bad bad bad idea.
No doubt some Garda will misuse this for stalking their ex or current partner
>to catch killers and child predators as well as ruling out innocent people in investigations.
It’s a trifecta. “Violating your privacy actually helps you and if you oppose it you support paedophiles and murderers.” You’d think if something was justifiable you wouldn’t have to try to wrap it up like this.
>Facial recognition software is already used by a number of crime-fighting agencies, including police departments in the US and the Metropolitan Police in London.
Fuck sake, the MET and USA’s police are terrible.
>She is expected to tell delegates she cannot agree with people who call for a ban on technology that allows for the identification of a person in investigations.
Why not compel location data for everyone from Apple/Google? That’s technology that would allow for the identification of a person in investigations.
>The Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) Bill, previously called the Digital Recordings Bill, is expected to reach the second stage in the Dáil by the end of next month. There are hopes it will be enacted by the end of the year and will allow for the introduction of body cameras.
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>Ms McEntee will also seek approval to include measures around facial recognition as committee stage amendments to the bill.
Body cameras are a good thing but they need to be paired with stronger protections for people’s privacy, not with violating it.
>It is hoped such technology will also help prove a person’s innocence in situations in which they are suspected of a crime but are proved to be at another location.
Come on. If I’m a suspect of a murder in Dublin and I was at a bar in Galway they don’t need facial recognition to corroborate that. If they’re only looking at CCTV in a very small area then they don’t need to use facial recognition.Either they’re systematically applying facial recognition to all CCTV (and developing a database of people’s faces) or they’re lying about it helping innocent people.
Didn’t loads of people in some state in the US recently get compensated by Facebook because they used facial recognition on a tool part of Facebook in a state where it was illegal to use facial recognition? Does GDPR protect against this as personal information. As far as I’m aware it does as it’s classed as biometric data. I can’t see this getting the go ahead tbh
In general I think this is fine. I think people are too much luddites when it comes to new technology. You just end up being left behind by countries that embrace technology.
Automated searching through hours of CCTV just makes sense.
The problem is what’s not going to happen. FG aren’t going to do the basics. As usual. I.e. bring in legislation to prevent any abuse at the same time. Same as the pulse rollout, some header cop(s) is going to abuse it to track their spouse or some such.
As someone whose thesis was on FR, this is an awful idea
Reminds me of cTOS from watchdogs
Does it actually work or is it like the dogs that bark on command to give excuse to void your rights?
I can’t see this being used for good at all, more war on drugs and tracking protestors and political opposition also I think its inevitable a lot of women are going to be raped by Gardaí with absolutely no escape or recourse.
I suspect this is the actual reason the government doesn’t want people wearing masks on public transport or in shops.
Also worth noting that this will allow the British to put a virtual border in Ireland.
Fine Gael are letting their unionist masks slip.
>In her address, she is also expected to say there are occasions when the interests of public safety, fighting crime and national security must override the right to absolute privacy.
fuck off. Same BS excuse used in the US. Nothing to show for this erosion of privacy.
Anybody telling you it’s anything other than for mass surveillance is lying through their teeth.
They literally use this shit in China to control the population
Keep yer masks handy!
I sure cannot wait until I get my door kicked down because I have a similar enough face to someone else.
The next step to have a really efficient system is to automate all Judicial decisions to be suspended sentences.
Between the Garda being able to look through your phone on the side of the road and this… it’s starting to feel a little bit like Russia and China around here.
100 euro guarantee the software engineers working for the Garda will not be skilled enough to make this happen either a) efficiently or b) as expected.
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Don’t worry folks. Garda stations are still operating with paper folders and ancient Comms rooms. The Boston scientific hell bots are a while off yet.
How accurate is facial recognition?
As long as they don’t go beating down doors and dragging off suspects on the say so of an algorithm.
Probably still running on windows 7 yet
> The technology is used by the Metropolitan Police to help locate people on watchlists sought by investigators as a real-time aid to prove whether a person has supplied false or misleading details or as a retrospective system to establish someone’s identity.
I assume there’s a typo here cause this doesn’t make much sense to me.
And aside from that, how exactly does using facial recognition help in solving murders? Surely if the officers have the cctv footage anyway they can then process it themselves? Facial recognition would only really help, imo, when processing cctv in real-time. I’d be highly suspect of this as the examples in the article are solving murders, catching child predators and exonerating innocent people. Yeah right…
Ubiquitous surveillance state (like the Brits) in a few years so.
I could pick out Helen McEntees head in a crowd from about 500 yards
Any AI surveillance scheme is always suspicious, regardless of intent.
I no likey where this will be going combined with Chat Control.
Well, there’s no way this could go wrong
Until we have robot cops to go out and do the arrests, this won’t have any impact.
The response to “can we invade your privacy to do X? It’s okay, if you’re innocent you have nothing to fear” should always be ‘hell fucking no’.
Oh no! Maybe the habitual wearing of some sort of face coverings will become common place. Unimaginable!
considering the back end system of the gardai is the one used by american police in the 1980s and is yet to be updated, i don’t think this will help
>Ms McEntee is also expected to tell gardaí today that national security and public safety must override the right to privacy in certain instances.
There’s the aul “national security” and “public safety” must override right to privacy line as if Ireland hasn’t been grand for the last 10-20 years when terrorism has been rampant.
The technology seems grand but I’m just not sure I have much faith in Gardai to abuse it in some way.
The safeguards and punishments surrounding would need to be fairly rock-solid.
There is always a good plausible benign reason for this type of stuff.
Then again these are the people who recorded phone calls in police stations so they could listen in on prisoners and solicitors. Had tusla make accidental cut and paste errors against McCabe.
You do know that the OSI office and AnPost are having cenis data to give marketing insights to banks and businesses.
As long as it’s used in the following situations.
– CCTV footage is only of a crime that has been reported or part of an investigation.
– Any matches is not automatically used as evidence that the person matched is the person committing the crime.
In that situation it will save the guards loads of time trying to find people who look similar.
But if UK style where everyone is monitored live is a really bad idea.
I do not want to live in a surveillance state like china fuck that for a bag of spanner’s, this crap will never be used for its advertised purposes and the Garda already have more power than they should rightly have.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ADVChina/comments/uvas8q/probably_china_might_think_this_is_good_publicity/
Haha. Irish people can’t even accept a national id card. No way they will accept this.
I thought that was against eu policy?
Jesus I really don’t like Helen McEntee, she’s really trying to piss away civil liberties. She’s also hellbent on giving the Gardaí more power, when they objectively don’t deserve more power and can’t be trusted with more power.
McEntee & Emer Higgins, birds of a feather
bad bad bad idea.
No doubt some Garda will misuse this for stalking their ex or current partner
>to catch killers and child predators as well as ruling out innocent people in investigations.
It’s a trifecta. “Violating your privacy actually helps you and if you oppose it you support paedophiles and murderers.” You’d think if something was justifiable you wouldn’t have to try to wrap it up like this.
>Facial recognition software is already used by a number of crime-fighting agencies, including police departments in the US and the Metropolitan Police in London.
Fuck sake, the MET and USA’s police are terrible.
>She is expected to tell delegates she cannot agree with people who call for a ban on technology that allows for the identification of a person in investigations.
Why not compel location data for everyone from Apple/Google? That’s technology that would allow for the identification of a person in investigations.
Or [ban encryption and compel passwords like Drew Harris wants to](https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-chief-wants-new-law-to-allow-back-door-access-to-personal-devices-38952524.html)?
>The Garda Síochána (Recording Devices) Bill, previously called the Digital Recordings Bill, is expected to reach the second stage in the Dáil by the end of next month. There are hopes it will be enacted by the end of the year and will allow for the introduction of body cameras.
>
>Ms McEntee will also seek approval to include measures around facial recognition as committee stage amendments to the bill.
Body cameras are a good thing but they need to be paired with stronger protections for people’s privacy, not with violating it.
>It is hoped such technology will also help prove a person’s innocence in situations in which they are suspected of a crime but are proved to be at another location.
Come on. If I’m a suspect of a murder in Dublin and I was at a bar in Galway they don’t need facial recognition to corroborate that. If they’re only looking at CCTV in a very small area then they don’t need to use facial recognition.Either they’re systematically applying facial recognition to all CCTV (and developing a database of people’s faces) or they’re lying about it helping innocent people.
Didn’t loads of people in some state in the US recently get compensated by Facebook because they used facial recognition on a tool part of Facebook in a state where it was illegal to use facial recognition? Does GDPR protect against this as personal information. As far as I’m aware it does as it’s classed as biometric data. I can’t see this getting the go ahead tbh
In general I think this is fine. I think people are too much luddites when it comes to new technology. You just end up being left behind by countries that embrace technology.
Automated searching through hours of CCTV just makes sense.
The problem is what’s not going to happen. FG aren’t going to do the basics. As usual. I.e. bring in legislation to prevent any abuse at the same time. Same as the pulse rollout, some header cop(s) is going to abuse it to track their spouse or some such.
As someone whose thesis was on FR, this is an awful idea
Reminds me of cTOS from watchdogs
Does it actually work or is it like the dogs that bark on command to give excuse to void your rights?
I can’t see this being used for good at all, more war on drugs and tracking protestors and political opposition also I think its inevitable a lot of women are going to be raped by Gardaí with absolutely no escape or recourse.
I suspect this is the actual reason the government doesn’t want people wearing masks on public transport or in shops.
Also worth noting that this will allow the British to put a virtual border in Ireland.
Fine Gael are letting their unionist masks slip.
>In her address, she is also expected to say there are occasions when the interests of public safety, fighting crime and national security must override the right to absolute privacy.
fuck off. Same BS excuse used in the US. Nothing to show for this erosion of privacy.
Anybody telling you it’s anything other than for mass surveillance is lying through their teeth.
They literally use this shit in China to control the population
Keep yer masks handy!
I sure cannot wait until I get my door kicked down because I have a similar enough face to someone else.
The next step to have a really efficient system is to automate all Judicial decisions to be suspended sentences.
Between the Garda being able to look through your phone on the side of the road and this… it’s starting to feel a little bit like Russia and China around here.
100 euro guarantee the software engineers working for the Garda will not be skilled enough to make this happen either a) efficiently or b) as expected.
Lads, we should all start wearing burqas