The rule should be if your English is good enough to claim social welfare, you are deemed competent to interact with the State in English and any interpreter is at your own expense.
This is being abused by people hoping the court will give up, and allow them avoid justice.
[deleted]
Isn’t a barrister a legal translator though? For the lay people who don’t know the law…
Can’t be represented in court here without a barrister so why the fuck shouldn’t people who’re not native speakers get translation help for important shit like understanding legal proceedings.
I can walk into a shop in France or Spain and communicate enough to buy food and drink but I’d be fucked if arrested or had to appear in court.
Not a good look for a judge
She seems mad. Does she not realise that attending court and dealing with the law is a little more complex than buying “hooch”? If I was in a foreign country and only a basic grasp of the local language you’d be damn sure I’d want an interpreter present where my liberty was at risk.
Not too surprising that someone who uses the word hooch is out of touch
You can buy Hooch without opening your mouth.
Also Hooch?
Shes spot on.
>INAR, **an umbrella group for 170 organisations** committed to combating racism and discrimination
€€€€€€€€€
She is right
Definitely don’t agree with the sentiment.
Going into a shop and buying everyday goods is in absolutely no way comparable with having to go through the court system as either a plaintiff or respondent. Professional translation services should absolutely be available to people whose first language is not English regardless of if they’ve been living in Ireland for a few years.
IMO the sense of judicial fairness and transparency is more than worthy of that cost to the taxpayer.
DJs always say fun stuff.
Something tells me there might have been problems getting interpreters that day.
How dare people exercise their right to a fair trial /s
The legal system is complex and most laypeople wouldn’t understand all the jargon, your solicitor should explain what’s going to happen. I don’t think the jargon alone is reason enough for a translator.
The man in question had enough English to verbally abuse his victims
She called to the wrong Bar
What a wagon! Look even if I was able to confidently speak another language I’d get an interpreter for court in a different country. Too much you can confuse or miss
lol at the bad take factories in here comparing the complexity of applying for the dole with the vagaries of ongoing court cases, but then if you support someone who uses words like hooch unironically, you might be out of touch.
The irony being that the defendants need translators to understand “hooch”
She’s 100% correct. If you’re living in Ireland 5yrs , drawing social welfare off the Irish state without an interpreter and assaulting Irish Citizens on a night out without an interpreter then you should be more than capable to stand up and defend yourself in court without an interpreter.
***”Courts received 9,216 requests for interpreters last year compared to 7,513 in 2020. Court interpreters cost €1.5m in 2021 and €1m in 2020.***
***Interpretation costs were considerably higher during the Celtic Tiger years, reaching €3.6m just as the economy crashed in 2008.***
***In the past two years the most common languages for which an interpreter was required were Polish (1,962), Romanian (1,519), Lithuanian (1,005), Russian (808), Portuguese (353), Latvian (235), Arabic (199), Mandarin Chinese (166), Hungarian (131) and Georgian (116).”***
And this bitch passes down judgements??? Christ on a bike.
I could probably obtain some hooch if you dropped me in the middle of Bangladesh with a fiver but I’d still need a translator if I end up in court .
It’s actually kind of scary that someone in such a position of power could be so ignorant that she thinks the English language skills you need to buy something in a shop are comparable to what you would need if you’re in a courtroom.
*Courts received 9,216 requests for interpreters last year compared to 7,513 in 2020. Court interpreters cost €1.5m in 2021 and €1m in 2020.*
*Interpretation costs were considerably higher during the Celtic Tiger years, reaching €3.6m just as the economy crashed in 2008.*
*In the past two years the most common languages for which an interpreter was required were Polish (1,962), Romanian (1,519), Lithuanian (1,005), Russian (808), Portuguese (353), Latvian (235), Arabic (199), Mandarin Chinese (166), Hungarian (131) and Georgian (116).*
[deleted]
When it comes to Judge’s they’re never sending their best.
This isn’t even dog whistle. It’s good old out in the open racism.
Here’s the thing. I work with a lot of people from around Europe who have absolutely _excellent_ English. Top notch, waaaay better than my limited French. Even they struggle with nuance. The sort of nuance you’d find _pretty fucking damn important if you were on trial_.
What’s hooch?
Official Ireland establishmentarian in being a snobby and disconnected old Cunt shocker
Didn’t realise inner city skangers were getting to be that hard to understand.
Hey look, a judge that’s out of touch. Weird.
Damn, I will need a interpreter, I don’t know what hooch is…
There a lad I unfortunately know arrived here from eastern europe in 2003, to this day he would not be able to ask a complete sentence, and is consistently using his own language a d gets annoyed when you dont know what’s he is on about.
Hooch? Is she from the American deep south?
Iirc I don’t think the interpreters are paid by the state, I think the solicitor is paid by the state and tacks the cost onto their legal aid bill, including subsequent meetings/Prison visit etc. The onus is on the solicitor firm to pay the interpreter.
Can anyone confirm if this it or isn’t the case?
Judge could be (poorly) trying to call out fraud on solicitors part.
Because I stayed with cousins in France for a summer, it was assumed I could speak the lingo like a newsreader.
When asked, I always say if I’m dropped in the middle of France, I’d get home, but there’d be detours & I’d have a horse instead of a haircut.
Even if she thinks it’s a delaying tactic etc., she must realise that any decision she reaches could be rescinded if she didn’t provide appropriate assistance.
I would agree that it is very annoying dealing with people in front of house jobs whose grasp of English is poor or whose accent is almost impenetrable & especially legal or medical when you could send the professionals off down the wrong track, but the courts have access to translators for this very reason.
She says, in a foreign language.
I need a translator. Wtf is hooch?
What a classist, racist piece of shit. Surely remarks like this should bring into question her impartiality in any case that involves immigrants or folks on welfare. Seems she just assumes every poor person who comes before her must be a drug addict on welfare.
I often wonder how much inequality in our society exists solely because most people remain locked out of the institutions of power. How can a legal system entirely controlled by privileged people who only interact with other rich people, and many of whom privately hold views like these, ever fully reflect the interests of marginalised groups?
This is why sometimes positive discrimination is actually a good thing, not some silly woke American import. More diversity in the legal system will make it better.
38 comments
The rule should be if your English is good enough to claim social welfare, you are deemed competent to interact with the State in English and any interpreter is at your own expense.
This is being abused by people hoping the court will give up, and allow them avoid justice.
[deleted]
Isn’t a barrister a legal translator though? For the lay people who don’t know the law…
Can’t be represented in court here without a barrister so why the fuck shouldn’t people who’re not native speakers get translation help for important shit like understanding legal proceedings.
I can walk into a shop in France or Spain and communicate enough to buy food and drink but I’d be fucked if arrested or had to appear in court.
Not a good look for a judge
She seems mad. Does she not realise that attending court and dealing with the law is a little more complex than buying “hooch”? If I was in a foreign country and only a basic grasp of the local language you’d be damn sure I’d want an interpreter present where my liberty was at risk.
Not too surprising that someone who uses the word hooch is out of touch
You can buy Hooch without opening your mouth.
Also Hooch?
Shes spot on.
>INAR, **an umbrella group for 170 organisations** committed to combating racism and discrimination
€€€€€€€€€
She is right
Definitely don’t agree with the sentiment.
Going into a shop and buying everyday goods is in absolutely no way comparable with having to go through the court system as either a plaintiff or respondent. Professional translation services should absolutely be available to people whose first language is not English regardless of if they’ve been living in Ireland for a few years.
IMO the sense of judicial fairness and transparency is more than worthy of that cost to the taxpayer.
DJs always say fun stuff.
Something tells me there might have been problems getting interpreters that day.
How dare people exercise their right to a fair trial /s
Edit: [Turns out it’s not the first time she’s thrown a tantrum over translator requests](https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2022/01/28/translator-request-irks-judge/)
[And not the second time either](https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/home/597800/longford-judge-says-we-have-a-wonderful-country-in-slamming-rising-costs-to-taxpayer-for-interpreters.html)
The legal system is complex and most laypeople wouldn’t understand all the jargon, your solicitor should explain what’s going to happen. I don’t think the jargon alone is reason enough for a translator.
The man in question had enough English to verbally abuse his victims
She called to the wrong Bar
What a wagon! Look even if I was able to confidently speak another language I’d get an interpreter for court in a different country. Too much you can confuse or miss
lol at the bad take factories in here comparing the complexity of applying for the dole with the vagaries of ongoing court cases, but then if you support someone who uses words like hooch unironically, you might be out of touch.
The irony being that the defendants need translators to understand “hooch”
She’s 100% correct. If you’re living in Ireland 5yrs , drawing social welfare off the Irish state without an interpreter and assaulting Irish Citizens on a night out without an interpreter then you should be more than capable to stand up and defend yourself in court without an interpreter.
***”Courts received 9,216 requests for interpreters last year compared to 7,513 in 2020. Court interpreters cost €1.5m in 2021 and €1m in 2020.***
***Interpretation costs were considerably higher during the Celtic Tiger years, reaching €3.6m just as the economy crashed in 2008.***
***In the past two years the most common languages for which an interpreter was required were Polish (1,962), Romanian (1,519), Lithuanian (1,005), Russian (808), Portuguese (353), Latvian (235), Arabic (199), Mandarin Chinese (166), Hungarian (131) and Georgian (116).”***
And this bitch passes down judgements??? Christ on a bike.
I could probably obtain some hooch if you dropped me in the middle of Bangladesh with a fiver but I’d still need a translator if I end up in court .
It’s actually kind of scary that someone in such a position of power could be so ignorant that she thinks the English language skills you need to buy something in a shop are comparable to what you would need if you’re in a courtroom.
*Courts received 9,216 requests for interpreters last year compared to 7,513 in 2020. Court interpreters cost €1.5m in 2021 and €1m in 2020.*
*Interpretation costs were considerably higher during the Celtic Tiger years, reaching €3.6m just as the economy crashed in 2008.*
*In the past two years the most common languages for which an interpreter was required were Polish (1,962), Romanian (1,519), Lithuanian (1,005), Russian (808), Portuguese (353), Latvian (235), Arabic (199), Mandarin Chinese (166), Hungarian (131) and Georgian (116).*
[deleted]
When it comes to Judge’s they’re never sending their best.
This isn’t even dog whistle. It’s good old out in the open racism.
Here’s the thing. I work with a lot of people from around Europe who have absolutely _excellent_ English. Top notch, waaaay better than my limited French. Even they struggle with nuance. The sort of nuance you’d find _pretty fucking damn important if you were on trial_.
What’s hooch?
Official Ireland establishmentarian in being a snobby and disconnected old Cunt shocker
Didn’t realise inner city skangers were getting to be that hard to understand.
Hey look, a judge that’s out of touch. Weird.
Damn, I will need a interpreter, I don’t know what hooch is…
There a lad I unfortunately know arrived here from eastern europe in 2003, to this day he would not be able to ask a complete sentence, and is consistently using his own language a d gets annoyed when you dont know what’s he is on about.
Hooch? Is she from the American deep south?
Iirc I don’t think the interpreters are paid by the state, I think the solicitor is paid by the state and tacks the cost onto their legal aid bill, including subsequent meetings/Prison visit etc. The onus is on the solicitor firm to pay the interpreter.
Can anyone confirm if this it or isn’t the case?
Judge could be (poorly) trying to call out fraud on solicitors part.
Because I stayed with cousins in France for a summer, it was assumed I could speak the lingo like a newsreader.
When asked, I always say if I’m dropped in the middle of France, I’d get home, but there’d be detours & I’d have a horse instead of a haircut.
Even if she thinks it’s a delaying tactic etc., she must realise that any decision she reaches could be rescinded if she didn’t provide appropriate assistance.
I would agree that it is very annoying dealing with people in front of house jobs whose grasp of English is poor or whose accent is almost impenetrable & especially legal or medical when you could send the professionals off down the wrong track, but the courts have access to translators for this very reason.
She says, in a foreign language.
I need a translator. Wtf is hooch?
What a classist, racist piece of shit. Surely remarks like this should bring into question her impartiality in any case that involves immigrants or folks on welfare. Seems she just assumes every poor person who comes before her must be a drug addict on welfare.
I often wonder how much inequality in our society exists solely because most people remain locked out of the institutions of power. How can a legal system entirely controlled by privileged people who only interact with other rich people, and many of whom privately hold views like these, ever fully reflect the interests of marginalised groups?
This is why sometimes positive discrimination is actually a good thing, not some silly woke American import. More diversity in the legal system will make it better.