Jenny in Atlanta and her husband are in a tough spot, she told The Ramsey Show. She and her husband have around $50,000 in debt — $20,000 in credit card debt alone and another $30,000 in car loans and other consumer debt, including medical and IRS debt.

“My husband and I are getting a late start,” she says. She’s 45 and he’s 51, but they still rent and they haven’t saved anything for retirement. This is despite Jenny working three jobs, her husband working two — and the couple bringing in about $7,500 a month.

With a young daughter and no plan, Jenny asked The Ramsey Show hosts Jade Warshaw and Ken Coleman for moral support and guidance to help her see the path out towards financial independence (1).

This isn’t a case of financial infidelity, Coleman clarified.

“Like, we’re trying to get our money right, but we’re trying to get everything else right in our life at the same time,” Jenny confessed.

Life feels overwhelming when you feel a load of debt weighing you down. She told the hosts that she and her husband are going to counseling to get on the same page, but they still feel far apart in terms of their priorities.

The most painful part for Jenny is her realization that she didn’t see the full picture of her situation until recently. Her husband has been the one swiping the card and managing day-to-day spending and he hasn’t always been transparent about what he’s doing.

They both know they need to attack the debt hard, but the little expenditures on eating out — something that brings them together — are getting in the way of their bigger goal of becoming debt free.

The root of her money anxiety is her husband’s lack of urgency to address their lifestyle creep (also known as lifestyle inflation) and get back in the black. That mismatch in urgency is why they are still stuck in the same place despite a decent income. One partner is all-in on financial freedom, while the other can’t get unstuck from bad habits.

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Money is one of the top sources of conflict for couples.

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