It’s true though..What’s the leader of the country doing making a statement that’s so obviously false?..
Because the other side were all fine upstanding democratic beacons of hope and prosperity…..
The NATO bombings against Serbian forces committing genocide and awful war crimes against civilians were absolutely warranted.
The others, not at all but were NATO even involved or just country’s who were also NATO members?
Boyd Barret was referring to NATO exercises in eastern Europe to start with
“It is interesting, however, that in advance of the war in Ukraine, NATO was planning massive military exercises, which it is now carrying out all over eastern Europe.”
Michael Martin said
“I do not buy the argument that NATO planning major exercises is somehow comparable with what is happening in Ukraine. It is not and NATO has attacked nobody.”
This would apply to Yugoslavia and Bosnia.
Scumbags for Russian Bribes should be their new name
NATO should have just stood back and watched as the most brutal genocide on this continent since WWII unfolded?
reddit still beating the “ukraine happened in a vacuum” drum.
Wow… a bit tone deaf, yea?
Funny how they don’t elaborate that ISAF was a NATO led force requested by the UN and the Afghan govt at the time, but that wouldn’t fit their narrative I guess.
Whataboutism is a bullshit term. Just used to discredit anyone not falling into the mainstream line.
How can hypocracy be properly discussed if you cant use relevent historical examples.
Like saying conspiracy theorist to discredit some now proven theories.
Just to add, I know there are some way out there theories, lizard people etc lol
Why do they shill dictatorships so hard. Like I get america isnt exactly the good guy in many peoples eyes but it doesnt make this insane dictatorship any better
I’ve no time for the Alphabet Soup Trots and this is obviously out of context bs but they’re right about neutrality generally. Most of the establishment and media are desperate to get rid of it but aside from a slight wobble at the start of Putin’s war, Irish public opinion remains in favour of retaining neutrality.
If anything NATO should have gotten involved in Yugoslavia much sooner.
NATO didn’t bomb anyone is like saying Margret Thatcher wasn’t an asshole
You know one of things that annoys me most about this? It just ends up hurting all the left wing parties in Ireland. I was chatting to my dad about politics the other day I mentioned the social democrats and he like “but they’re insane! Have you heard what they were saying about Russia”. He has heard this rhetoric and thought it was the social dems saying it not PBP.
How many votes have oth
Absolute state of PBP
I think something else was going on Afghanistan at the time what was that?
Ok? They do have a point though. Everyone seems to put NATO on a pedestal and pretends like there are no disadvantages to this murderous, unelected relic of the Cold War gaining more ground than it already has.
This comment section is an absolute disaster of corporate bootlickers. Have we learned nothing from our history??
i mean they’re not wrong
Perhaps this isn’t whataboutery and really more pointing out facts and suggesting a bit of consistence when it comes to condemning war crimes and bombings.
Also PBP have been very vocal in condemning Russian aggression and war crimes. They stand apart from other parties in that they want a diplomatic solution and not a constant fuelling of the fire in Ukraine.
Western countries – supported by the Irish government – will happily pour arms into Ukraine endlessly leading to thousands of Ukrainian deaths, as long as their geostrategic aims are met.
Yugoslavia ceased to exist in 1991 and was never bombed, especially not by NATO, Serbia was bombed 8 years after initiating bloody civil war that destroyed Yugoslavia and committing numerous attrocities and war crimes against all other federal states of Yugoslavia. In Bosnia NATO bombed Serbian rebel troops in a desperate attempt to stop further war crimes and was called to help by UN troops in the field. In Libya NATO had mandate by the UN to implement resolution in the country that harboured and supported international terrorism for years. In Afghanistan NATO along with other many other states implemented UN resolution. Neither Serbia, Libya nor Afghaniostan were harmless litlle peaceful countries minding their own business.
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This isn’t whataboutery, he was wrong and spreading misinformation. PBP corrected their political opponent while pointing out they don’t know what they’re talking about.
I don’t even mind NATO lol, overall they fulfill their goal in preventing harm IMO but ignoring their actions is just dumb as fuck.
PBP wear Slipknot hoodies and smoke joints on their lunchbreaks.
NATO this and NATO that, when will they realise that Ireland is a non aligned nation? We even have a different foreign policy to NATO members, how have they not caught on to that yet?
PBP looking to edge everyone else on the critical Serbian voters living here.
This is why Ireland never has a left wing government.
Because rather than being full of Larkins and Connollys, left wing parties are full of student union wannabes. The same tropes and arguments that people were talking about before 1989.
How can anyone take you as credible if you’re complaining about stopping genocide. When the evidence doesn’t fit your tightly choreographed narrative, you just choose to ignore the evidence.
Nato bad
Is this really whataboutery? I mean it looks like they’re answering a dumb quote unless I’m missing a piece of context.
NATO can’t even stop it’s own members of committing ethnic cleansing. Turkey on the Kurds.
It amuses me that PBP back Sanctions against Israel (not criticising this move either) but sanctions against Russia were being discussed “Sanctions only hurt the poor working class people”
🤷🏻♂️
Well PBP can go lick their own crusty balls for all I care. Nothing but a shower of failed hippies trying to justify their own outdated points while ignoring their irrelevance in the face of genuine existential threats to modern democracy.
Yugoslavia? You mean Serbia?
He is an idiot, this is true. But at least US tried to make war “civilized”, trying to limit civilian damages. (What is not possible anyway in any type of war. Except computer game.) But the difference, Russians are not only lack of precision ammunition, they also doesn’t care. They goal (was)- not bomb someone to surrender, or destroy their army. Their goal – is to genocide, revenge and “how dare you live better than us?”. So big difference. But anyway – is this guy ever learn history in school?
If PBP think NATO intervention in Bosnia to stop a genocide wasn’t a good idea they’re even dumber than they appear and they can go and fuck themselves.
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It’s true though..What’s the leader of the country doing making a statement that’s so obviously false?..
Because the other side were all fine upstanding democratic beacons of hope and prosperity…..
The NATO bombings against Serbian forces committing genocide and awful war crimes against civilians were absolutely warranted.
The others, not at all but were NATO even involved or just country’s who were also NATO members?
Boyd Barret was referring to NATO exercises in eastern Europe to start with
“It is interesting, however, that in advance of the war in Ukraine, NATO was planning massive military exercises, which it is now carrying out all over eastern Europe.”
Michael Martin said
“I do not buy the argument that NATO planning major exercises is somehow comparable with what is happening in Ukraine. It is not and NATO has attacked nobody.”
This would apply to Yugoslavia and Bosnia.
Scumbags for Russian Bribes should be their new name
NATO should have just stood back and watched as the most brutal genocide on this continent since WWII unfolded?
reddit still beating the “ukraine happened in a vacuum” drum.
Wow… a bit tone deaf, yea?
Funny how they don’t elaborate that ISAF was a NATO led force requested by the UN and the Afghan govt at the time, but that wouldn’t fit their narrative I guess.
Whataboutism is a bullshit term. Just used to discredit anyone not falling into the mainstream line.
How can hypocracy be properly discussed if you cant use relevent historical examples.
Like saying conspiracy theorist to discredit some now proven theories.
Just to add, I know there are some way out there theories, lizard people etc lol
Why do they shill dictatorships so hard. Like I get america isnt exactly the good guy in many peoples eyes but it doesnt make this insane dictatorship any better
I’ve no time for the Alphabet Soup Trots and this is obviously out of context bs but they’re right about neutrality generally. Most of the establishment and media are desperate to get rid of it but aside from a slight wobble at the start of Putin’s war, Irish public opinion remains in favour of retaining neutrality.
If anything NATO should have gotten involved in Yugoslavia much sooner.
NATO didn’t bomb anyone is like saying Margret Thatcher wasn’t an asshole
You know one of things that annoys me most about this? It just ends up hurting all the left wing parties in Ireland. I was chatting to my dad about politics the other day I mentioned the social democrats and he like “but they’re insane! Have you heard what they were saying about Russia”. He has heard this rhetoric and thought it was the social dems saying it not PBP.
How many votes have oth
Absolute state of PBP
I think something else was going on Afghanistan at the time what was that?
Ok? They do have a point though. Everyone seems to put NATO on a pedestal and pretends like there are no disadvantages to this murderous, unelected relic of the Cold War gaining more ground than it already has.
This comment section is an absolute disaster of corporate bootlickers. Have we learned nothing from our history??
i mean they’re not wrong
Perhaps this isn’t whataboutery and really more pointing out facts and suggesting a bit of consistence when it comes to condemning war crimes and bombings.
Also PBP have been very vocal in condemning Russian aggression and war crimes. They stand apart from other parties in that they want a diplomatic solution and not a constant fuelling of the fire in Ukraine.
Western countries – supported by the Irish government – will happily pour arms into Ukraine endlessly leading to thousands of Ukrainian deaths, as long as their geostrategic aims are met.
Yugoslavia ceased to exist in 1991 and was never bombed, especially not by NATO, Serbia was bombed 8 years after initiating bloody civil war that destroyed Yugoslavia and committing numerous attrocities and war crimes against all other federal states of Yugoslavia. In Bosnia NATO bombed Serbian rebel troops in a desperate attempt to stop further war crimes and was called to help by UN troops in the field. In Libya NATO had mandate by the UN to implement resolution in the country that harboured and supported international terrorism for years. In Afghanistan NATO along with other many other states implemented UN resolution. Neither Serbia, Libya nor Afghaniostan were harmless litlle peaceful countries minding their own business.
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This isn’t whataboutery, he was wrong and spreading misinformation. PBP corrected their political opponent while pointing out they don’t know what they’re talking about.
I don’t even mind NATO lol, overall they fulfill their goal in preventing harm IMO but ignoring their actions is just dumb as fuck.
PBP wear Slipknot hoodies and smoke joints on their lunchbreaks.
NATO this and NATO that, when will they realise that Ireland is a non aligned nation? We even have a different foreign policy to NATO members, how have they not caught on to that yet?
PBP looking to edge everyone else on the critical Serbian voters living here.
This is why Ireland never has a left wing government.
Because rather than being full of Larkins and Connollys, left wing parties are full of student union wannabes. The same tropes and arguments that people were talking about before 1989.
How can anyone take you as credible if you’re complaining about stopping genocide. When the evidence doesn’t fit your tightly choreographed narrative, you just choose to ignore the evidence.
Nato bad
Is this really whataboutery? I mean it looks like they’re answering a dumb quote unless I’m missing a piece of context.
NATO can’t even stop it’s own members of committing ethnic cleansing. Turkey on the Kurds.
It amuses me that PBP back Sanctions against Israel (not criticising this move either) but sanctions against Russia were being discussed “Sanctions only hurt the poor working class people”
🤷🏻♂️
Well PBP can go lick their own crusty balls for all I care. Nothing but a shower of failed hippies trying to justify their own outdated points while ignoring their irrelevance in the face of genuine existential threats to modern democracy.
Yugoslavia? You mean Serbia?
He is an idiot, this is true. But at least US tried to make war “civilized”, trying to limit civilian damages. (What is not possible anyway in any type of war. Except computer game.) But the difference, Russians are not only lack of precision ammunition, they also doesn’t care. They goal (was)- not bomb someone to surrender, or destroy their army. Their goal – is to genocide, revenge and “how dare you live better than us?”. So big difference. But anyway – is this guy ever learn history in school?
If PBP think NATO intervention in Bosnia to stop a genocide wasn’t a good idea they’re even dumber than they appear and they can go and fuck themselves.