The billpayer gets the money, which in most cases is the tenant.
In this case, for a holiday home, it’s benefiting the owner.
But in most cases, what would you rather? That a landlord with multiple properties gets to pick which one tenant gets the discount and the rest are screwed?
For the majority of tenants who pay their own bills, it doesn’t make sense to exclude them just because their landlord happens to have multiple properties.
Keep this shite up and you’re gonna get **V-vendetta** for real.
Here’s a novel idea. Instead of having a windfall tax on the energy companies and then using that money to give people a rebate. Why not just cap the energy companies profits and reduce peoples bills.
This whole rebate thing is a pathetic attempt at trying to patch over the problem.
How many pensioners are we going to see die this winter? How many people are going to commit suicide given that financial worry is only of the leading contributors to suicide?
I am glad I am getting solar and a battery from my house.
All these talks about shifting money but none of it I think addresses the elephant in the room of soaring gas and electricity.
We need upgraded infrastructure to improve efficiency and reduce bills long term. Rather than spaffing 400 quid to each household, couldn’t we use it for an actual long term infrastructure improvement?
The issue is we have this half arsed approach to privatisation. Now we have a ludicrous situation where the government is essentially subsidising energy suppliers (and by extension producers) who were supposed to make the market more efficient, as the private sector is meant to be more capable due to competition.
You need to either let it be truly Darwinian, or nationalise it all. A forest fire while seemingly destructive, is actually needed for the long term health of the forest. The government should just let the crisis unfold with no intervention from them, and if it completely collapses then take it all back under control.
This will be the next scam from the covid money scam. Introduce loopholes gov why don’t you. This sort of scam by the gov is so that their landlord mates who own 10 houses can benefit from it with free cash.
Instead of giving it to people give it to the companies under the promise they won’t increase prices and if they do they will be fined. Stop bailing out numpty companies who are constantly making a profit.
This government and it’s leaders have been so involved in how and how much they can rub this country they lost track how to run the country in the best possible way.
The responsibility lies with Boris Johnson and the culture he brought to No 10.
Why not make a negative VAT rate for energy, like -30%, so if your bill was 200 a month it’d actually be 140 after VAT. The energy companies then pass on the negative VAT to the government who pay them the rebate. Simple.
The idea that this scheme is poorly designed is reasonable given the usual Tory incompetence.
However, when it comes to redistribution of wealth from the poorest to richest, the Tories have no equal.
Or maybe it’s a combination of the two?
This is indeed the best definition of a selfish wanker.
*”Fundamentally, if the government had actually pre-planned 20 years ago, we wouldn’t be in this crisis.”*
Craig, an owner of seven holiday lets.
****
Translation: THE LAST LABOUR GOVERNMENT!
This is a deliberately designed policy to try and maximise popularity for the government. With the council tax rebate, it was offered that bills would just be reduced, but the treasury insisted that it must be processed as a “rebate” it’s the same here. It’s all just PR
To get to that level of money, you have to get rid yourself of empathy.
Who can blame him? I bet most people would do the same in his position, it’s not his fault the government didn’t handle it very well
There really *really* are greater injustices out there to be enraged about. Is this ideal? No. Is it way easier and most likely cheaper than instituting some more complicated system to figure out who is deserving of how much exactly? Also fucking yes.
Look at it this way – if the energy prices were kept low by the government subsidising it directly or any other such scheme, the rich would also be benefitting disproportionately. Stuff like this is the side effect of existing injustices, and it is really hard to find perfectly just solutions inside an unjust system. That does not mean it isn’t still better to have a slightly unjust solution rather than nothing at all.
Do not let the perfect be the enemy of good. Getting help to households quickly and efficiently is *good*. Don’t let your (very possibly justified) dislike for people like that guy keep you from supporting something that will actually help a large number of people. This asshole can have his 2.8k, let the people who need it have their 400 and then worry about a better way of solving heating costs for the longer term to avoid another situation like this from happening in the first place.
Rebate this year, but what about next year?
This is the only subreddit I visit that routinely posts tabloid articles.
He didn’t brag the guy explained he does short term holiday rentals, the energy costs hit his wallet like everyone else’s as he said he isn’t going to increase prices, obviously he could be lying but that’s what he said.
I don’t think I’m mad at this guy tbh. The way it’s framed in that story isn’t correct imo. It says the £400 is meant to help the most vulnerable, which isn’t the case. The most vulnerable are supposed to be getting something more, the £400 is supposed to help every house with a power bill. – Yer man happens to have 6 power bills.
As far as I can tell this is all about removing wealth from individuals in order for them to accept the great reset communist manifesto. I will imagine things will get a lot worse.
What a shit-stirrer of a title… Source checks out. The Mirror keeps being the worst.
One of the most well off people I know, working class done good etc nice old man blah blah blah, gets a winter fuel allowance even though he’s a millionaire.
Mind you I don’t trust this lot to means test oaps whatsoever.
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The billpayer gets the money, which in most cases is the tenant.
In this case, for a holiday home, it’s benefiting the owner.
But in most cases, what would you rather? That a landlord with multiple properties gets to pick which one tenant gets the discount and the rest are screwed?
For the majority of tenants who pay their own bills, it doesn’t make sense to exclude them just because their landlord happens to have multiple properties.
Keep this shite up and you’re gonna get **V-vendetta** for real.
Here’s a novel idea. Instead of having a windfall tax on the energy companies and then using that money to give people a rebate. Why not just cap the energy companies profits and reduce peoples bills.
This whole rebate thing is a pathetic attempt at trying to patch over the problem.
How many pensioners are we going to see die this winter? How many people are going to commit suicide given that financial worry is only of the leading contributors to suicide?
I am glad I am getting solar and a battery from my house.
All these talks about shifting money but none of it I think addresses the elephant in the room of soaring gas and electricity.
We need upgraded infrastructure to improve efficiency and reduce bills long term. Rather than spaffing 400 quid to each household, couldn’t we use it for an actual long term infrastructure improvement?
The issue is we have this half arsed approach to privatisation. Now we have a ludicrous situation where the government is essentially subsidising energy suppliers (and by extension producers) who were supposed to make the market more efficient, as the private sector is meant to be more capable due to competition.
You need to either let it be truly Darwinian, or nationalise it all. A forest fire while seemingly destructive, is actually needed for the long term health of the forest. The government should just let the crisis unfold with no intervention from them, and if it completely collapses then take it all back under control.
This will be the next scam from the covid money scam. Introduce loopholes gov why don’t you. This sort of scam by the gov is so that their landlord mates who own 10 houses can benefit from it with free cash.
Instead of giving it to people give it to the companies under the promise they won’t increase prices and if they do they will be fined. Stop bailing out numpty companies who are constantly making a profit.
This government and it’s leaders have been so involved in how and how much they can rub this country they lost track how to run the country in the best possible way.
The responsibility lies with Boris Johnson and the culture he brought to No 10.
Why not make a negative VAT rate for energy, like -30%, so if your bill was 200 a month it’d actually be 140 after VAT. The energy companies then pass on the negative VAT to the government who pay them the rebate. Simple.
The idea that this scheme is poorly designed is reasonable given the usual Tory incompetence.
However, when it comes to redistribution of wealth from the poorest to richest, the Tories have no equal.
Or maybe it’s a combination of the two?
This is indeed the best definition of a selfish wanker.
*”Fundamentally, if the government had actually pre-planned 20 years ago, we wouldn’t be in this crisis.”*
Craig, an owner of seven holiday lets.
****
Translation: THE LAST LABOUR GOVERNMENT!
This is a deliberately designed policy to try and maximise popularity for the government. With the council tax rebate, it was offered that bills would just be reduced, but the treasury insisted that it must be processed as a “rebate” it’s the same here. It’s all just PR
To get to that level of money, you have to get rid yourself of empathy.
Who can blame him? I bet most people would do the same in his position, it’s not his fault the government didn’t handle it very well
There really *really* are greater injustices out there to be enraged about. Is this ideal? No. Is it way easier and most likely cheaper than instituting some more complicated system to figure out who is deserving of how much exactly? Also fucking yes.
Look at it this way – if the energy prices were kept low by the government subsidising it directly or any other such scheme, the rich would also be benefitting disproportionately. Stuff like this is the side effect of existing injustices, and it is really hard to find perfectly just solutions inside an unjust system. That does not mean it isn’t still better to have a slightly unjust solution rather than nothing at all.
Do not let the perfect be the enemy of good. Getting help to households quickly and efficiently is *good*. Don’t let your (very possibly justified) dislike for people like that guy keep you from supporting something that will actually help a large number of people. This asshole can have his 2.8k, let the people who need it have their 400 and then worry about a better way of solving heating costs for the longer term to avoid another situation like this from happening in the first place.
Rebate this year, but what about next year?
This is the only subreddit I visit that routinely posts tabloid articles.
He didn’t brag the guy explained he does short term holiday rentals, the energy costs hit his wallet like everyone else’s as he said he isn’t going to increase prices, obviously he could be lying but that’s what he said.
I don’t think I’m mad at this guy tbh. The way it’s framed in that story isn’t correct imo. It says the £400 is meant to help the most vulnerable, which isn’t the case. The most vulnerable are supposed to be getting something more, the £400 is supposed to help every house with a power bill. – Yer man happens to have 6 power bills.
As far as I can tell this is all about removing wealth from individuals in order for them to accept the great reset communist manifesto. I will imagine things will get a lot worse.
What a shit-stirrer of a title… Source checks out. The Mirror keeps being the worst.
One of the most well off people I know, working class done good etc nice old man blah blah blah, gets a winter fuel allowance even though he’s a millionaire.
Mind you I don’t trust this lot to means test oaps whatsoever.