It’s met the 10,000 threshold for government response, which presumably will be “ha ha, peasants, why would we want to add more checks and balances?”
100% needed, not sure why a petition is needed for the change tbh, other than corruption
Signed @ 11,159
Please do not be silly Boris,and Vladimir Mogg are in charge and you will do as the say or else the Metropolitan Police will hunt you down. England is now under direct control of No10.
Has a petition ever achieved anything?
The petition website has achieved its ultimate goal. They’ve manufactured a conditioned response in me to go, “urgh, they’ll never listen”. I’ll go sign now anyway, maybe this will go viral and it’ll be another stick to beat Johnson with.
Johnson wouldn’t have a problem with this. He’ll finish watering down the code to nothing and let them enforce a code that allows anything.
This plus contacting your MP and letting them know you are concerned about this and have signed the petition – they do total responses from constituents to apply pressure.
But who will enforce the enforcement code on enforcers?
> Their needs to be an independent body with the power to remove ministers when they flout the ministerial code.
This needs to be resubmitted with correct spelling.
My MPs response to my enquiry on his opinion of the changes:
>You have the facts completely wrong. I will make a stand against the deliberately misleading quotes put out about the Ministerial Code.
>The new Ministerial Code says in paragraph 1.3.c that “Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister”. Nothing has changed here. We have not abolished resignation for breaching the Code. The only thing that has changed is in relation to the PM having a greater variety of sanctions to impose on a Minister WHICH HE ALREADY HAD (see Cameron and Warsi).
>This is a review which has come forward now but has been in the pipeline for some time and has no relationship with the PM’s alleged actions. People should have read the Code first before attacking the Government.
>A Cabinet Office statement said it would be “disproportionate” for ministers to lose their job for “minor breaches”.
>The prime minister could instead order “some form of public apology, remedial action or removal of ministerial salary for a period”.
>The new Code gives Lord Geidt more power not less.
If I sign this petition, what kind of laugh Tories will be having?
Like all petitions on that website they will just respond telling you in a patronising way why you are wrong. Nothing has come out of that site. It’s theatre.
Yeah but Boris is running to Ukraine and taking photos there. So the party gate didn’t happen anymore.
Staff it with all the cops that have been cleared of wrong doing wrt a death in custody.
“But an independent body may be independent!”
They don’t follow the law. They literally changed the law to avoid following it. Why are you writing protests and not discussing the way in which we can create an alternative a government – the institution not the people elected to work in it. Let the Eton sex offenders club take control of the South East and have a grown up government for all the other regions of the country.
I’m sure they’ll get right on it ..
I know these petitions make people feel better for some reason, but it’s unjustified.
There has NEVER been a successful online government petition on anything that’s mattered.
If you are disgusted by BJ, join your local Labour / Lib Dem party (whichever is most likely to unseat the Tories), and offer some of your time each month to campaigning.
It can be as little as delivering leaflets on a few streets, or if you’re braver you could knock on doors, or even seek to become elected as a local Councillor.
Your presence will help to sway other people to believing your party has a chance to win.
Much more effective at getting the Tories out.
Otherwise you’re stuck with the public saying things like “nobody else is electable” and “why is nobody doing anything?”
Also, don’t just upvote hoping it might encourage others to sacrifice their time instead of you. Take action yourself.
Go online, sign up for party membership, and ask how you can help.
Otherwise you are part of the problem.
> What do integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, and honesty have in common?
> They’re all words Boris Johnson just deleted from his foreword to the ministerial code.
Haha the fucking pirates code.
Thems be mostly what you’d call guidelines.
Petitions don’t work. Ever. They’re the political equivalent of “hopes and prayers”.
Write to your MP, organise locally against your MP if they don’t support it. Actually *do* something rather than sign a petition – which is a deliberate mechanism to *stop* people doing something.
Sounds like the sort of pulling at constitutional string that was/is the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.
So a minister gets independently removed, what then? Another one gets appointed by the same government.
Or alternatively a failing government about to lose the election packs the “independent body” with their mates and uses it to disrupt the next government?
Are there any protests going on about this?
Getting tired of sitting back and letting this happen
Whilst laudable what you really want is 10,000 people with guillotines.
If a fascist government can change the laws to make them unaccountable then they’re not going to bother with petitions from their peasants
Jesus christ, are people *still* doing this pointless petition bollocks?
Petitions are useless. We need to get on the street and protest
Signed. Hope this doesn’t put form the basis of some list police surveillance list one day.
I’m struggling to think of any of those I’ve signed that have achieved anything.
Does anyone else find it amusing that this entire comment section is full of posts of people mocking this, made up of people who literally spend nearly all their time on here complaining about this government, but also have probably never done anything else whatsoever to go against them.
So I have to ask, even if this is a meaningless gesture, what exactly have you done with your time that is so much more valuable and helpful?
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It’s met the 10,000 threshold for government response, which presumably will be “ha ha, peasants, why would we want to add more checks and balances?”
100% needed, not sure why a petition is needed for the change tbh, other than corruption
Signed @ 11,159
Please do not be silly Boris,and Vladimir Mogg are in charge and you will do as the say or else the Metropolitan Police will hunt you down. England is now under direct control of No10.
Has a petition ever achieved anything?
The petition website has achieved its ultimate goal. They’ve manufactured a conditioned response in me to go, “urgh, they’ll never listen”. I’ll go sign now anyway, maybe this will go viral and it’ll be another stick to beat Johnson with.
Johnson wouldn’t have a problem with this. He’ll finish watering down the code to nothing and let them enforce a code that allows anything.
This plus contacting your MP and letting them know you are concerned about this and have signed the petition – they do total responses from constituents to apply pressure.
But who will enforce the enforcement code on enforcers?
> Their needs to be an independent body with the power to remove ministers when they flout the ministerial code.
This needs to be resubmitted with correct spelling.
My MPs response to my enquiry on his opinion of the changes:
>You have the facts completely wrong. I will make a stand against the deliberately misleading quotes put out about the Ministerial Code.
>The new Ministerial Code says in paragraph 1.3.c that “Ministers who knowingly mislead Parliament will be expected to offer their resignation to the Prime Minister”. Nothing has changed here. We have not abolished resignation for breaching the Code. The only thing that has changed is in relation to the PM having a greater variety of sanctions to impose on a Minister WHICH HE ALREADY HAD (see Cameron and Warsi).
>This is a review which has come forward now but has been in the pipeline for some time and has no relationship with the PM’s alleged actions. People should have read the Code first before attacking the Government.
>A Cabinet Office statement said it would be “disproportionate” for ministers to lose their job for “minor breaches”.
>The prime minister could instead order “some form of public apology, remedial action or removal of ministerial salary for a period”.
>The new Code gives Lord Geidt more power not less.
If I sign this petition, what kind of laugh Tories will be having?
Like all petitions on that website they will just respond telling you in a patronising way why you are wrong. Nothing has come out of that site. It’s theatre.
Yeah but Boris is running to Ukraine and taking photos there. So the party gate didn’t happen anymore.
Staff it with all the cops that have been cleared of wrong doing wrt a death in custody.
“But an independent body may be independent!”
They don’t follow the law. They literally changed the law to avoid following it. Why are you writing protests and not discussing the way in which we can create an alternative a government – the institution not the people elected to work in it. Let the Eton sex offenders club take control of the South East and have a grown up government for all the other regions of the country.
I’m sure they’ll get right on it ..
I know these petitions make people feel better for some reason, but it’s unjustified.
There has NEVER been a successful online government petition on anything that’s mattered.
If you are disgusted by BJ, join your local Labour / Lib Dem party (whichever is most likely to unseat the Tories), and offer some of your time each month to campaigning.
It can be as little as delivering leaflets on a few streets, or if you’re braver you could knock on doors, or even seek to become elected as a local Councillor.
Your presence will help to sway other people to believing your party has a chance to win.
Much more effective at getting the Tories out.
Otherwise you’re stuck with the public saying things like “nobody else is electable” and “why is nobody doing anything?”
Also, don’t just upvote hoping it might encourage others to sacrifice their time instead of you. Take action yourself.
Go online, sign up for party membership, and ask how you can help.
Otherwise you are part of the problem.
> What do integrity, objectivity, accountability, transparency, and honesty have in common?
> They’re all words Boris Johnson just deleted from his foreword to the ministerial code.
> Draw your own conclusions.
— Anneliese Dodds [May 27, 2022](https://nitter.net/AnnelieseDodds/status/1530311419283001344)
Haha the fucking pirates code.
Thems be mostly what you’d call guidelines.
Petitions don’t work. Ever. They’re the political equivalent of “hopes and prayers”.
Write to your MP, organise locally against your MP if they don’t support it. Actually *do* something rather than sign a petition – which is a deliberate mechanism to *stop* people doing something.
Sounds like the sort of pulling at constitutional string that was/is the Fixed Term Parliaments Act.
So a minister gets independently removed, what then? Another one gets appointed by the same government.
Or alternatively a failing government about to lose the election packs the “independent body” with their mates and uses it to disrupt the next government?
Are there any protests going on about this?
Getting tired of sitting back and letting this happen
Whilst laudable what you really want is 10,000 people with guillotines.
If a fascist government can change the laws to make them unaccountable then they’re not going to bother with petitions from their peasants
Jesus christ, are people *still* doing this pointless petition bollocks?
Petitions are useless. We need to get on the street and protest
Signed. Hope this doesn’t put form the basis of some list police surveillance list one day.
james+1@outlook.com for example is the same as james@outlook.com and you can sign this petition multiple times by changing the number lol
I’m struggling to think of any of those I’ve signed that have achieved anything.
Does anyone else find it amusing that this entire comment section is full of posts of people mocking this, made up of people who literally spend nearly all their time on here complaining about this government, but also have probably never done anything else whatsoever to go against them.
So I have to ask, even if this is a meaningless gesture, what exactly have you done with your time that is so much more valuable and helpful?
Interesting right?