Building special education centres for children with autism instead of guaranteeing them school places is not “where we want to be and it is not where we need to be,” according to Minister for Further Education Simon Harris.
The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) was amongst those who criticised proposals by the Government to build the special education centres.
They cited the move as fundamentally at odds with the word and spirit of the UN Convention on the rights of people with disabilities.
Speaking to RTE’s Today with Claire Byrne show on Thursday, Minister Harris said that the proposal was “not going to fly”.
“It is not a good one. It is not going to fly. I base that not only on my own view but on the views of people I know. We have made a lot of progress as a country in relation to special needs education and inclusion in general. We just need to be very careful we don’t go backwards.
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“Minister (Josepha) Madigan is doing an incredible job in really trying to increase classrooms, working with schools, using new powers she has under the law. This was an idea that landed in a way that it was never meant to.
“It possibly got into the public domain in a way it was never meant to. It was meant to be consulted, discussed. That is not what happened. It caused a lot of hurt last week.”
He described Minister Madigan as a “progressive” person who will listen to advocacy groups and come up with a way forward.
Outdated model
Meanwhile, last week Sinead Gibney, chief commissioner of the IHREC, told RTE Radio that Ireland has worked very hard to shift from a very outdated medical and patriarchal model of disability towards a rights based one where people have rights to education and work.
“Those people who have disabilities have rights alongside everybody else. And that is really kind of problematic when we look at this. Because when we talk about education, what that right looks like is a right to an inclusive education.
“In my local school for example, if I am a child with a disability and that is why this proposal, and I appreciate it is a proposal, really goes back to what we have seen in the past. It is a very segregated model of education where children are othered and removed from mainstream schooling.”
Ms Gibney said that even if such centres are temporary measures, they must fit with the guidelines and obligations on the Conventions of the Rights of People with Disabilities (CRPD).
“I would have concerns that the energy and efforts and resources of this temporary fix should instead be going to address the mechanisms which are currently preventing the Government from doing that.
“We know and we heard discussion around the Section 37 A mechanism which can allow the Minister to compel schools to open these classes. Why not put your efforts there in making that legislation better fit for purpose and something that can be activated within the timeframe?”
Ms Gibney added that the Department of Education should be focusing its efforts on introducing emergency legislation to compel school to open classes.
“And whatever the emergency or stop gap proposals are, they should still be compliant with our vision for an inclusive education for all children
I get the whole inclusion thing for society, but I have cousins on the spectrum, and some, not all, really do benefit to have the curriculum tailored to their needs and not memorising a set of poems.
On top of that, just from experience and what I’ve heard from teachers, depending on the year that comes in, they can end up having no friends and just being left alone all year around, so I don’t entirely agree with writing it off for inclusion in society, school in general doesn’t suit everyone across the board.
Autism is a very wide spectrum but from my own experience there is very little genuine support for parents with autistic kids. Resources are there but you need to seek them out and be prepared to pay, and that is the only reason our daughter is showing improvement.
Often it’s a tick the box exercise from the HSE. We’ve been offered zoom calls, sometimes months apart, but these are absolutely useless for a child with autism.
You need to go your own way on this I’m afraid, and hope, like us, that your local school is ready to help. Ours has been fantastic so far.
I’ve a sister with autism. She was never capable for attending mainstream with an SNA (while some are amazing, no offence all they need is a leaving cert in some schools) we got lucky and she went to a special school.
One shoe doesn’t fit us all and some of these autism centres (if properly funded and staffed) could be EXTREMELY beneficial.
My sister was unable to walk, talk or use the toilet and most autistic adults would say the way she was taught to do these things was “unethical” without even knowing her as a person. She can do all of these things now and is an extremely happy individual as she is independent in her basic personal care.
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Building special education centres for children with autism instead of guaranteeing them school places is not “where we want to be and it is not where we need to be,” according to Minister for Further Education Simon Harris.
The Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) was amongst those who criticised proposals by the Government to build the special education centres.
They cited the move as fundamentally at odds with the word and spirit of the UN Convention on the rights of people with disabilities.
Speaking to RTE’s Today with Claire Byrne show on Thursday, Minister Harris said that the proposal was “not going to fly”.
“It is not a good one. It is not going to fly. I base that not only on my own view but on the views of people I know. We have made a lot of progress as a country in relation to special needs education and inclusion in general. We just need to be very careful we don’t go backwards.
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“Minister (Josepha) Madigan is doing an incredible job in really trying to increase classrooms, working with schools, using new powers she has under the law. This was an idea that landed in a way that it was never meant to.
“It possibly got into the public domain in a way it was never meant to. It was meant to be consulted, discussed. That is not what happened. It caused a lot of hurt last week.”
He described Minister Madigan as a “progressive” person who will listen to advocacy groups and come up with a way forward.
Outdated model
Meanwhile, last week Sinead Gibney, chief commissioner of the IHREC, told RTE Radio that Ireland has worked very hard to shift from a very outdated medical and patriarchal model of disability towards a rights based one where people have rights to education and work.
“Those people who have disabilities have rights alongside everybody else. And that is really kind of problematic when we look at this. Because when we talk about education, what that right looks like is a right to an inclusive education.
“In my local school for example, if I am a child with a disability and that is why this proposal, and I appreciate it is a proposal, really goes back to what we have seen in the past. It is a very segregated model of education where children are othered and removed from mainstream schooling.”
Ms Gibney said that even if such centres are temporary measures, they must fit with the guidelines and obligations on the Conventions of the Rights of People with Disabilities (CRPD).
“I would have concerns that the energy and efforts and resources of this temporary fix should instead be going to address the mechanisms which are currently preventing the Government from doing that.
“We know and we heard discussion around the Section 37 A mechanism which can allow the Minister to compel schools to open these classes. Why not put your efforts there in making that legislation better fit for purpose and something that can be activated within the timeframe?”
Ms Gibney added that the Department of Education should be focusing its efforts on introducing emergency legislation to compel school to open classes.
“And whatever the emergency or stop gap proposals are, they should still be compliant with our vision for an inclusive education for all children
I get the whole inclusion thing for society, but I have cousins on the spectrum, and some, not all, really do benefit to have the curriculum tailored to their needs and not memorising a set of poems.
On top of that, just from experience and what I’ve heard from teachers, depending on the year that comes in, they can end up having no friends and just being left alone all year around, so I don’t entirely agree with writing it off for inclusion in society, school in general doesn’t suit everyone across the board.
Autism is a very wide spectrum but from my own experience there is very little genuine support for parents with autistic kids. Resources are there but you need to seek them out and be prepared to pay, and that is the only reason our daughter is showing improvement.
Often it’s a tick the box exercise from the HSE. We’ve been offered zoom calls, sometimes months apart, but these are absolutely useless for a child with autism.
You need to go your own way on this I’m afraid, and hope, like us, that your local school is ready to help. Ours has been fantastic so far.
I’ve a sister with autism. She was never capable for attending mainstream with an SNA (while some are amazing, no offence all they need is a leaving cert in some schools) we got lucky and she went to a special school.
One shoe doesn’t fit us all and some of these autism centres (if properly funded and staffed) could be EXTREMELY beneficial.
My sister was unable to walk, talk or use the toilet and most autistic adults would say the way she was taught to do these things was “unethical” without even knowing her as a person. She can do all of these things now and is an extremely happy individual as she is independent in her basic personal care.