I think they can ask you to take it a little slower, but it’s not like everyone has a speedometer on their bike, I can see myself going past 25kph quite quickly, but I’d just ride at a speed which feels safe. I wouldn’t expect to get fined, but I also wouldn’t want to find out if I’d get fined
I think it is a reminder that any EV (be it bike, scooter, skateboard,…) riding on the bike lane must be limited to 25km/u. I can’t find anything regarding limitations to your leg-powered speed.
~~Okay, I might be talking out of my ass here, since I do not live in Antwerp, and neither am I well versed in traffic code, but I’m going to make an attempt.~~
~~This is not a speed limitation. Speed limitations are always black letters on a white bord with a red border.~~
~~Since it is blue and square, I would assume that it’s a so called “onderbord” (no clue how I would translate this). These “onderborden” give more information about the sign directly above it. In this case the information given is very vague… “25m/u”. What does that mean? The sign above it forbids motorcycles of Class B, which means that only motorcyles of class A are allowed. Thus, I would think that this sign says that only motorcycles of class A are allowed, providing that they drive 25km/h max.~~
~~But… motorcycles or class A are already limited to 25km/h iirc? So why should there be another sign saying the same? Sounds a bit redundant to me?~~
~~Anyways, I might be completely wrong here. I’m not a cop, and I’m not Bartje de Wever either. Maybe /u/Bitt3rsteel knows? If I remember correctly, he’s one of the aforementioned.~~
They are meant as a speed limit for cyclists (which really blows my mind, because I don’t get why it would be a blue sign then?), but they are 1) not in the traffic code and thus invalid; 2) put there illegally by the city of Antwerp because it’s the jurisdiction of AWV.
So in short: no, you shouldn’t care about them.
I have never seen a square speed sign before.
Blue squares are aanwijzingsborden.
Speed limits are possible on a square sign but then its white with the red circle with the number inside it.
I googled a list of traffic signs and this one is not on it.
Since im not a lawyer or a policeman and just a random redditor id say this sign can be ignored.
Good luck using my advice in court when shit hits the fan.
No, it means that have to go at 25 kmu on your bike
In Belgium there is this wonderful system where the lesser roads are maintained by the city or municipality, and there are others which are maintained by the Flemish authority. There are even some done by the province.
It’s for those speed elecs that can go faster then 25 to make them attentive
Not really for normal bikers and not enforceable
You can ride motorcycles and electric bikes that go up to 25km/h on the bikelane.
Guessing it’s a suggestion.
police won’t start standing next to the lane with a radargun and a fast bike to catch you if you go over (and they do have to catch you as bikes don’t have license plates)
though I do wonder if an amateur cycler or someone on a speed pedelec mows over someone (probably more then likely going faster then 25) and the cops are called what they will do.
they can reference the sign, but since they have no actual proof of the speed as the crash happened they don’t really have a legal way of proving it.
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I know they can determine speed based on car crash but I doubt the research/knowledge for the same with bikes is equally as far. and they would still have to leave a fairly large margin.
Speaking of which, are scooters/mopeds/small motorcycles with gasoline engine even allowed on cycling lanes? I’ve seen so many of them and no one bats an eye, that I’m starting to thing I am missing something.
What are those categories “B” and sometimes “P” that are indicated in the “verboden” sign? Aren’t they *exactly* scooters?
I really despise those people, there is no reason why scooters shouldn’t go on the road like in every other city on the entire planet.
Blue sign says simething is permitted. It does not say anything about higher speeds. Also, how would you suggest this is enforced on bikes?
there is enough clutter and signs on the roads already we dont need suggestion signs
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https://m.gva.be/cnt/dmf20200917_96301715
The city will remove them.
No, it’s a suggestion to not be a dangerous asshole(conditions permitting).
Also https://fietsberaad.be/nieuws/antwerpen-moet-verkeersbord-voor-fietsers-weghalen-van-gewestwegen/
I think they can ask you to take it a little slower, but it’s not like everyone has a speedometer on their bike, I can see myself going past 25kph quite quickly, but I’d just ride at a speed which feels safe. I wouldn’t expect to get fined, but I also wouldn’t want to find out if I’d get fined
I think it is a reminder that any EV (be it bike, scooter, skateboard,…) riding on the bike lane must be limited to 25km/u. I can’t find anything regarding limitations to your leg-powered speed.
~~Okay, I might be talking out of my ass here, since I do not live in Antwerp, and neither am I well versed in traffic code, but I’m going to make an attempt.~~
~~This is not a speed limitation. Speed limitations are always black letters on a white bord with a red border.~~
~~Since it is blue and square, I would assume that it’s a so called “onderbord” (no clue how I would translate this). These “onderborden” give more information about the sign directly above it. In this case the information given is very vague… “25m/u”. What does that mean? The sign above it forbids motorcycles of Class B, which means that only motorcyles of class A are allowed. Thus, I would think that this sign says that only motorcycles of class A are allowed, providing that they drive 25km/h max.~~
~~But… motorcycles or class A are already limited to 25km/h iirc? So why should there be another sign saying the same? Sounds a bit redundant to me?~~
~~Anyways, I might be completely wrong here. I’m not a cop, and I’m not Bartje de Wever either. Maybe /u/Bitt3rsteel knows? If I remember correctly, he’s one of the aforementioned.~~
EDIT: Okay, looks like I was wrong indeed.
[See Here](https://fietsberaad.be/nieuws/antwerpen-moet-verkeersbord-voor-fietsers-weghalen-van-gewestwegen/)
They are meant as a speed limit for cyclists (which really blows my mind, because I don’t get why it would be a blue sign then?), but they are 1) not in the traffic code and thus invalid; 2) put there illegally by the city of Antwerp because it’s the jurisdiction of AWV.
So in short: no, you shouldn’t care about them.
I have never seen a square speed sign before.
Blue squares are aanwijzingsborden.
Speed limits are possible on a square sign but then its white with the red circle with the number inside it.
I googled a list of traffic signs and this one is not on it.
Since im not a lawyer or a policeman and just a random redditor id say this sign can be ignored.
Good luck using my advice in court when shit hits the fan.
No, it means that have to go at 25 kmu on your bike
In Belgium there is this wonderful system where the lesser roads are maintained by the city or municipality, and there are others which are maintained by the Flemish authority. There are even some done by the province.
It’s for those speed elecs that can go faster then 25 to make them attentive
Not really for normal bikers and not enforceable
You can ride motorcycles and electric bikes that go up to 25km/h on the bikelane.
Guessing it’s a suggestion.
police won’t start standing next to the lane with a radargun and a fast bike to catch you if you go over (and they do have to catch you as bikes don’t have license plates)
though I do wonder if an amateur cycler or someone on a speed pedelec mows over someone (probably more then likely going faster then 25) and the cops are called what they will do.
they can reference the sign, but since they have no actual proof of the speed as the crash happened they don’t really have a legal way of proving it.
​
I know they can determine speed based on car crash but I doubt the research/knowledge for the same with bikes is equally as far. and they would still have to leave a fairly large margin.
Speaking of which, are scooters/mopeds/small motorcycles with gasoline engine even allowed on cycling lanes? I’ve seen so many of them and no one bats an eye, that I’m starting to thing I am missing something.
What are those categories “B” and sometimes “P” that are indicated in the “verboden” sign? Aren’t they *exactly* scooters?
I really despise those people, there is no reason why scooters shouldn’t go on the road like in every other city on the entire planet.
Blue sign says simething is permitted. It does not say anything about higher speeds. Also, how would you suggest this is enforced on bikes?
there is enough clutter and signs on the roads already we dont need suggestion signs
Just ion case you’re whether this is a valid sign
[https://wegcode.be/wetteksten/secties/kb/wegcode/265-hs2](https://wegcode.be/wetteksten/secties/kb/wegcode/265-hs2)
[https://verkeersborden.vlaanderen/overzicht_verkeersborden.pdf](https://verkeersborden.vlaanderen/overzicht_verkeersborden.pdf).
[https://www.verkeersbord.be/officieel/verkeersborden-overzicht/](https://www.verkeersbord.be/officieel/verkeersborden-overzicht/)
Just in case you’re whether this is a valid signom one.
Haha, I am riding 25+ on my bike since forever and now because of electrical bikes I must slow down? Crazy